The Turn Behind The Turn

The Turn Behind the Turn

The Turn Behind The Turn is designed to help the hitter eliminate all pushing or driving of the knob in the baseball (or softball) swing. Turning the bat behind the back hip allows for the deepest barrel acceleration and the longest area the barrel can be on plane with the pitch. When the bat accelerates early, and in the way of the ball deep in the swing path, the hitter has the most room for error with timing and can easily drive the ball to all fields with accuracy and power.

-Chas Pippitt, Leader of the Baseball Rebellion

Adding the Half Turn Drill into your hitting routine can help you increase barrel awareness which can lead to more hard hit line drives and extra base hits.

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This Topic is from the Using Bands with the Rebel's Rack section of the full course.

Why We Teach It: Assisted Turns

Use the Assisted Turn Drill to help a hitter learn to use his or her front leg to straighten fast through the heel and drive the front hip back instead of upward.  Also used to help a hitter complete rotation as well as stop his or her face from moving forward inside of the turn. The final reason the Assisted Turn is so important is the band pulling the hitter forward forces the hitter to resist that pull by counterbalancing his body weight back to slow his stride down as much as he can.

How We Teach It: Assisted Turns

  • Rebel’s Rack and Rebel’s Rack bands
  • Attach bands above shoulder height and to the front side of the Rebel’s Rack
  • Make sure the hitter is slightly offset so when he or she turns, she’s pulling away from the connection to the wall and leaning towards her back foot.
  • Stride towards the wall, slightly offset with band connection to wall on your backside.
  • Stride, hesitate, turn fully with full footwork
  • Lean back away from the wall towards your back foot
  • The hitter should be fast and quick here, not strong or long with the turn or back foot move

Good: Assisted Turns

  • Hitter stops his or her face from moving forward, this keeps the hitter’s upper body in a loaded back position which allows them to swing the bat up, which leads to more consistent contact. 
  • Hitter quickly and completely straightens the front leg through the heel which assists in bringing the hips around faster in the turn. Faster hips = faster swings. 
  • Back knee in front of the head or under the head at the finish (complete rotation). This ensures that the hitter has not leaked out onto their frontside which causes hitters to swing and miss more often due to a poor bat path. 

Bad: Assisted Turns

  • Back leg pushes back hip into rotation instead of being pulled into rotation by the pelvis, this forces the hitter’s head forward and causes them to chop down at the ball or lose balance in the turn.
  • Back shoulder works AROUND instead of forward towards CF pulling hitter off balance. When this occurs the hitter will typically roll over and pull a lot of ground balls foul. This will look more like a basketball pivot with their back leg swinging around the body.
  • Hitter allows their face to move forward. If the head pulls forward towards the wall they lose their head positioning causing a negative bat path leading to more inconsistent contact.
  • Hitter doesn’t straighten the front leg making it impossible for them to brace up their turn and will result in them falling forward or ending the turn early. Forward posture or incomplete turns can lead to loss of ability to move the bat on plane.
Not Pulling Your Back Foot
Incomplete Turn
Head Comes Forward
Doesn't Straighten Front Leg
Back Shoulder Works Around
Back Knee Behind the Head
Back Foot Loses Ground

Additional Coaching Points: Assisted Turns

  • All Rebel’s Rack Drills with the bands are NOT about moving the most weight or resistance, they are about speed
  • These movements are about slightly loading the hitter’s turn from different angles and orientations to improve their already perfect dry turn
  • The bands create resistance or assistance to different parts of the turn which helps the hitter deal with those forces in gameplay

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Learn How a See-Saw Can Teach Us Proper Hitting Mechanics

Years ago, I wrote an article about hand pivot or a ‘see-saw’ action of the elbows that turns the bat. Last night (April 30th, 2019), there was a demo of someone improperly using a Balance Bat, a great product, and I commented on it. Video of comment and tweet here:

In the tweet above, the person says “...Is getting the hands to snap, this way, ok?  Notice how my elbow is still up…” That is the entirety of the audio in the tweet. Since commenting, my phone still hasn’t stopped buzzing and it’s 9:15 pm the next day. Because of this, I thought it would make sense to revisit that old article and clarify how we turn the barrel. Also, I wanted to list and demo the products we use to create the deep barrel turn in our hitters.

Turn the Body First

First, before you do ANYTHING with the upper body, the lower body and torso must rotate properly. That means the stride needs to be correct and the focus is preparing to turn the body and time the ball with the turn. Once those things are completely correct, we turn the focus to the upper body and hand path that creates deep barrel turn.

Creating the Turn of the Bat

The Turn Behind The Turn Drill

The main idea we use when teaching players to turn the bat is that the hands don’t move in the swing. We explain this with the “Turn Behind the Turn” drill.

This drill clearly eliminates knob drive and teaches the hitter to deliver the barrel with his body. If the hitter can successfully get the bat head to the net without hitting his elbow or knob they have done the drill properly. Also, the hitter can learn about keeping their spacing and maintaining his or her posture through the turn.

Bat Drag Buster with the White Band

To help with the ‘feel’ of the elbows staying apart and being the ends of the see-saw, we use the white band of the Bat Drag Buster. The Bat Drag Buster was originally created to eliminate a racing back elbow of pre-pubescent hitters. What has happened, however, is it has become one of our favorite training tools of our college and professional hitters. They can feel the weakness when they break their wrist angle and let their elbows get closer together. Because of this, the Bat Drag Buster allows the elbows to get stay apart and work in harmony inside the swing for the first time ever.

Clearly, after watching the video above, you can see how weak and unsupported the bat would be with a pure wrist barrel dump. Real hitters feel this weakness if they attempt to turn the barrel with their wrists.  The Bat Drag Buster helps hitters maintain their spacing and deliver the barrel in a more forceful way. Because of this, the bat is also more supported as the hands stay closer to the body.

Follow Thru Bat

The last way we talk about the depth of the turn is by using a FollowThru Bat for the sound it makes. When swung properly, the bat head can be ‘directed’ or ‘released’ directionally.

DId you hear ‘where’ the clicks were? I spoke about this a long time ago as well in a past article.  What’s interesting about the Follow Thru Bat is that it teaches proper barrel zone entrance and where the bat should be fast. Too fast and too early on an inside pitch will cause rollovers. Conversely, if you’re too slow too long in the swing, you’ll be late and slice balls backside.

The Baseball Rebellion Truth About Training Barrel Turn

These are the tools we use and how we use them to create a correct upper body pattern in hitters. We do NOT do random ‘feels’ and ‘ideas’ on our hitters. We teach them to feel the correct move, slowly at first, and then fast in the game. This is very different than others on twitter who use made up and unsupported junk that doesn’t exist in a swing. Before you blindly trust a coach because of who they were/are or who they work with, please look at the body of work online. Do they have a facility? Do they have a long term track record of training players of all ages and ability levels? Do they have a real basis of knowledge or did they attend a weekend clinic? Do they create original thoughts (and/or products) that are proven to work? If the answers to these questions are ‘no’, perhaps its time to evaluate if they’re the right hitting person to follow. It’s not just your swing that matters, it’s your team’s, players’ or kids’ swings that suffer if you’re wrong. Avoid the snake oil sold by a ‘feel teacher', man. Instead, look for movements that make sense, taught by real teachers, man. 

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The FollowThru Bat - The Baseball Rebellion Way

As professional hitting instructors we are always looking for different things to use to help make our hitters better, more efficient, and have a deeper understanding of their swing. One of the products we use on a daily basis here at Baseball Rebellion is the FollowThru Training Bat, which is a weighted training bat this is designed to something very different from what we use it for (to see more about the FollowThru bat and how its designed click here).

The purpose of the product is to have the hitter feel and hear the ‘click’ of the metal rod that is placed inside the bat at the point of contact, forcing the hitter to have a direct, down or level path to the ball. Here is a video showing the way the product is intended to be used:

If you have been following our company you know that is not the bat path we want our hitters to have at Baseball Rebellion. With that said, all hitting instructors have one common goal and that is to get their hitters to develop and generate bat speed. The training bat is a great tool to help the hitter feel the barrel working backward towards the catcher first to help achieve the fast, upward swing plane that we desire. To get the hitter to feel what efficient barrel path is they must feel the ‘click’ of the metal rod back behind them instead of out in front of them. It helps the hitter feel the initial move of the barrel as well as helps teach them the proper hand pivot to turn the barrel around the knob with extreme speed. The weight of the bat is also a great feature because it forces the hitter to keep the weight of the bat up by turning with their hands high.

You can take full swings and hit with the FollowThru bat but we rarely do that. We use it most when only practicing the movement patterns through half turns. Even though we use it differently than its intended use, it is an excellent product to help hitters generate early bat speed and turn the bat with extreme efficiency.

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It's early in the season in Major League Baseball and even earlier in the minors.  Some guys have as many as 50 at-bats, others far less.  50 at-bats in high school in North Carolina, is about half your season though!  So what are some things you can do if you're starting off the season a little behind where you want to be?  What can you do to make sure you continue on the successful tear you're on if you're having a great season?  Here are some quick ideas you can try to make sure you're staying ahead of the pitchers and get your season back on track if needed.

Swing Early in the Count

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Nothing frustrates players and parents more than 'bad calls' from the umpire.  That being said, that bad call almost never is the reason a hitter strikes out or struggles with weak contact.  Most often, those players afflicted with 'bad-call-itus' are the same ones who are TAKING STRIKES early in the count or fouling balls off that are crushable pitches.  Pitchers want to work AHEAD in the count, so make sure you're ready for that first or second pitch fastball strike and punish it!  Nothing makes a pitcher work like backing up bases and watching the scoreboard for the hitting team light up...a few extra pitches thrown won't chase a pitcher as fast as a few doubles or homers in an inning.

Practice Smarter Not Harder

Often times, after a bad game, a hitter will head to the cages.  2 hours later, bloody hands and sweated through gloves in tow, the hitter heads back to his or her car no closer to solving whatever 'problem' caused the bad day at the ball field.  These type of marathon hitting sessions can, in some cases, have a good purpose.  However, the lion's share of these types of sessions just erode the body and the mind and bring more negative thoughts and negative swing movements. Ditch the 300 swings post-game after an 0-4 game and get in some low-intensity mirror work on your stride.  Get your tempo right and your mind relaxed so the next game you're working towards success instead of still recovering from the blisters and frustration of the long session postgame.

Do Your Work Before Practice

Many players are relying on their coaches to give them the practice they need in a team setting.  Unfortunately, there is simply not enough time to get all the individual work you need in with a team setting, where there are often 15 players who need to hit.  From a defensive perspective, a tennis ball and a wall are all you really need to get pretty handy with the glove.  Hitting wise, grab a tee, make sure you're giving your swing the time it deserves and needs to stay primed and ready.  Team practice has tons of value, but from an individual development perspective, you've must be willing to work while no one else is so you can gain ground on those who are more naturally gifted than you and keeping the distance between you and those who are coming for your spot from behind.

Eat, Sleep, and Repeat

Up all night playing Fortnite after a bad game?  Eating fast-food every day?  How you recover and fuel your body is everything to an athlete.  Make sure you're getting the vitamins, minerals, protein and water intake needed to keep you in prime physical condition come practice and game time.  High school kids have tons of activities to do: homework, practice, and having a social life.  Sleeping well (and enough) and eating well (and enough) are hard for many driven kids who have good grades and high expectations on the field as well.  Make sure you've gotten a good night sleep (7-8 hours) before games and that you have your protein bars and water bottle during the day and on the bus to the game so you aren't running on empty by the 2nd inning.

Glass Half-Full Mentality

Nobody likes a Negative Nancy or a Debbie Downer.  Be positive not only with yourself but also with your teammates.  Look for ways you can help the team that doesn't just involve going 3 for 5 with a few doubles or making 3 diving catches in the outfield.  Are you picking up the other team's signs?  Are you figuring out patterns in how the other team is pitching your top players or you?  How about how long the pitcher holds the ball with runners on first base or 2nd base?  After a K or an error, are you taking that back out to your position or into your next at-bat?  If you're positive with your self-talk and trust your preparation, you can take an 0-2 and turn it around!  Get your mind on a positive wavelength and prepare for your next chance for success!

Chas Pippitt, Leader of the Baseball Rebellion



josh horton back

After being named an organizational All-Star for the first time in his career and setting full-season career highs in Slugging, OPS, Doubles, Home Runs…and Strikeouts…Josh Horton came back to I.T.S. Baseball to train, hit, and get ready for the season.  The main focus of his training last year was getting his barrel on plane with the baseball earlier so he could hit the ball deeper in the zone.  Also, we wanted to make sure we got the back foot off the ground so we could get a more complete body rotation in his swing and greatly increase his power generating capabilities.  We were successful in our quest to add power to his swing, but as you can clearly see from his statistics, (Stats Here) …we added lots of swings and misses, leading to strikeouts as well.

K’s are never an intended consequence of changing a hitter’s swing mechanics, but as with any change, there will be a few bumps in the road.  I was quite surprised that his K’s increased by that much due to how much longer his bat was in the zone and behind the baseball, but he frequently commented on how he felt ‘early’ and had not completely adjusted to the timing of being much later in his decision to swing.  Another factor in his most recent season was his position in the batting order.  In previous years Josh hit 7th, 8th or 2nd.  This past year, he quickly moved up in the order, batting over half of his season in the 3, 4, 5 spots.  Middle of the order hitters clearly are pitched differently than guys lower in the lineup.  Even with his ‘batting order promotion’, Josh raised his Batting Average for Balls In Play (BABIP) from .330 in 2010 his best year to date to .354 in 2011.  Basically, what that means on the balls he hit fair, other than homeruns, he was more likely to get a hit and with his slugging percentage he was clearly hitting the ball harder.

This year, Josh came in on December 17th, 2012 and I wanted to check out his swing on video and compare it to his swing when he left.   I was happy to see he looked pretty good up top with his arms and vision and was getting the bat in the zone well.  The videos from 2010 and 2011 were shot with different cameras, so they do not sync up.  You can see Josh’s intake video below.

Before we got started making new changes to his swing, Josh and I had a meeting about his season.  He said he was happy with his progression to a middle of the order hitter and increased power numbers but was disappointed at his first half strikeout ratios and batting average.  It was clear that our focus this offseason should almost exclusively be increasing his barrel ACCURACY, meaning less swings and misses, less mis-hit balls he should have crushed, and adding more hard barrel contact.  I told him that I wanted to work very hard on a forward movement early in his swing process to get his weight off of his back foot so that he could turn faster and more completely than last year.  I explained, that not only would this move relax his body and make his initial ‘turning’ action smoother and less jolting, but it would allow him to ‘sit into the front leg’ in order to adjust and react to change-ups, curveballs, and other off speed pitches.  (You can read more about the front leg HERE.)

Josh was initially extremely hesitant on working to get more ‘forward’ in his swing as we’ve all been told to ‘stay back’ so we can ‘wait on off speed pitches’.  Honestly, I wasn’t even sure after Josh’s initial reaction to my wanting him to glide out to his front side, that he would even try it and give it a real effort.  I am happy to report that Josh gave the new techniques a great effort, despite his reservations, and now has the ability to adjust to pitches with much more accuracy and much less ‘fear’ of being fooled.  The forward momentum and ‘sitting into’ his bent front knee allows him to make a much better ‘fooled’ adjustment than most players are capable of.

Normally when fooled, hitters lean their chests forward, and slap their hands out and forward sweeping the bat towards the ball.  Clearly this is not an athletic movement and it’s a ‘survival’ swing.  We, as hitters, must re-define failure in hitting from ‘missing the ball’ to ‘hitting the ball weakly’.  Remember: You get 1 fair ball per at bat…you get 3 strikes.  This technique does not efficiently and powerfully ‘use’ a hitter’s only fair ball.

The best hitters can shift into their front leg and hesitate slightly so they can wait just a second longer, delay the barrel, and then explode into the zone with much more power.  Hitters that ‘sit into their front side’ can slightly hesitate (not stop) and glide forward onto their bent front knee.   Again, you can see Ken Griffey Junior do this in a game swing on a curveball HERE.

Many times, Josh and I did this drill to teach him to be unafraid of the initial move forward and to show him how much power he really could generate from this position.

We knew we were on the right track when he took this pitch randomly during a session a few weeks before he left.  He was so excited when I showed him how easily he came out of his pattern and had no ‘flinch’ towards the ball and into his swing.  That’s the mark of a great hitter, the ability to take pitches without a huge hand move or violent posture changes.

So, after all Josh’s hard work with myself, Will Fox, and JK Whited…here’s the final product.  Enjoy.

Josh headed out to Spring training on February 17th.  For all the reasons listed in the video I think he’s going to have a great year.  His work with Will Fox, our Muscle Activation Techniques and CSCS, PES guy on staff was phenomenal as well.  Will’s training and work allowed Josh to grasp these movements much quicker than last year and really accelerated our process together.  From the I.T.S. Baseball and Baseball Rebellion Family, good luck Josh, you’re gonna have a great year.

Chas Pippitt, Leader of the Baseball Hitting Rebellion