The WORST Hitting Drill for Baseball or Softball EXPOSED!

Written By: Chas Pippitt

Many players are getting ready for tryouts at their high schools and some are doing 'preseason' workouts for their 12 and under travel teams. I keep hearing the same complaints that some of the drills they are being forced to do are against what makes sense in the swing.  Many coaches will 'isolate' the hands with top and bottom hand drills.  I don't really have a problem with that in moderation as its a great strength and coordination building movement, and can be fun for kids to make games out of.  Coaches will spread hitters out really wide and force wrist isolation as well with more 'speed toss' drills which consist of repetitive arm motion to swing the bat across the chest instead of hip driven turning.  We do this drill in our evaluations to see what kids 'eliminate' in their swing in order to hit the balls.  Most kids take their hips out...bad idea.  The best kids with the best patterns naturally keep their hips moving, and more often than not, can hit more balls in number and hit more balls hard.  Coaches also do drills putting kids on one knee, again, taking all stabilization out of the swing (which makes no sense) and forces kids again to create an 'arms and wrist dominated' move, simply because they have no other choice.

The Worst Hitting Drill Ever

While those drills aren't the best drills, they're not the worst either.  This is the worst drill you can do for hitting a baseball properly and yet it's one of the most commonly used drills from little league up, even into the college ranks.  It hurts me to even link to this drill I think it's so bad...so proceed with caution...

High Back Tee Drill with Pros

How would the High Back Tee Drill look if added two tees into Ryan Braun's game swing? Looks like Braun is doing this drill incorrectly?


How about Ichiro, a hitter I never teach off of and is known for hitting SINGLES instead of powerful drives, do you think he's going to miss the high tee? Even singles hitters must get their barrel in the way of the baseball!

Even singles hitters must get their barrel in the way of the baseball!

Maybe Ken Griffey Jr, one of the best 15 hitters of all time could execute this drill.  I figure he's noted for hitting for power, average, and just overall being extremely technically sound and having one of the 'prettiest' swings ever to grace the game of baseball.  Surely he misses the back tee. One of the best hitters of all time destroys the back tee in this drill with a real game swing!

On of the best hitters of all time...destroying the High Tee/Low Tee drill in his real game swing.

Do we think the professional player's actual movements are incorrect or the drill?  Even worse, if we now know the drill is wrong...how come this is such an accepted part of our fundamental teaching for our youngest players?  The scary part about this drill and the blind following of mechanical teachings, like 'A to C' mechanics and 'swing down' mechanics, is that they're not visually supported at all in actual MLB games!  

Live Proof:

Remember this clip from the 2012 world series?  Really LISTEN to the announcers' voices and how they're excited about debunking the myths and finding out what really happens in the game swing of MLB players.  Think about the advantages of seeing what's happening so hitters across the country can benefit from more accurate teaching and more drills that make sense.

What would happen to the 'high back tee' in that swing?  Honestly, it really makes me sad when I see a kid come into my building with that downward trajectory in their barrel.  It makes me mad when that kid tells me he's had dozens of lessons and PAID for that information.  I do not expect youth coaches to be experts in the baseball or softball swing.  But I do expect the ideas and drills they have the kids do to make sense.  As stated in our Pitchers vs Hitters article, we know the pitcher is throwing the ball down so we must get our barrel in the way of the baseball and keep it there a long time.  Drills that directly disallow that should not be practiced...and there is no real use for them in training purposes other than to fix a DRAMATIC uppercut and even then there are simply better ways to accomplish a better swing path.

A pitcher's perspective:

"As a former professional, I would go out and watch BP on the days of my start to gain a perspective on the hitters I would be facing later that night.  Regardless of size, potential, and current statistics at the time, I knew I had a competitive advantage over the hitters whose swings resembled the path of swinging down on the baseball.  I threw a sinker, and a late-breaking slider; two pitches that posed to be tough for hitters who were swinging down.  On the other hand, a hitter who dropped his bat in the zone early  and was able to keep the barrel in the zone for a longer period of time posed a tougher challenge."  -Justin Orenduff

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114 thoughts on "The WORST Hitting Drill for Baseball or Softball EXPOSED!"

  1. Jimmy Onate says:

    Nice job and I agree – its a matter of bat time in hitting zone and best path for creating ball contact for line drives – nice work!

    1. Do says:

      Think about this, all the pictures show tilt. If no tilt then bat angle will be more a to b.

  2. brian allen says:

    Great read! Your training equipment has been great for my boys.

    thank you….


    1. Chas Pippitt says:

      Brian and Jimmy,

      I’m glad you guys enjoyed the article! I hope more people can see how insane telling kids to practice that type of stuff is.

      I have dozens of evaluation videos where kids really swing like that, it’s insane!


      PS: Brian, I’m glad you guys are enjoying the Drive Developer/Rebel’s Rack. A little thought and hard work with the right direction makes all the difference in the world.

  3. Paul Mann says:

    Great article Chas. What a crazy video of the downward swing- the guy just showed everyone how to ground out weakly to shortstop. The ball hit the ground before it hit the net 6 feet away!

    Keep up the good work!
    Paul Mann

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I can’t even believe he POSTED that video…

      Also, we tried to hit a line drive doing that drill…Justin couldn’t even DO the drill without knocking the tee over.



  4. jerry says:

    I cant belive that guys are still teaching this swing down stuff.. I hate to admit it but I taught my 26 yr old this when he was about 12 and struggling with hitting. With a hitting coach like me no wonder he struggled. . But since then it has been proven time and time again thru video that top level hitters do not swing down. some thing ted williams said so long ago .so I consider it neglectful espcially for guys who make money to teach this .downward swing. After so much video proof its wrong ..Swinging down doesnt line the bat and the desending ball for long enough .and it is hard to keep balance when swinging down it makes a batter fall forward and loses balance

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I know man, it’s crazy and negligent to me as well! I couldn’t have said it any better!


  5. Jamie says:

    I’m sorry but this guy really is a tool when it comes to any form batting instruction. Even if he believes in the downward swing that he is demonstrating, how can he state to hit the top half of the ball to create backspin. At least if he said hit the bottom half of the ball on a downward swing maybe he could create a little backspin, although it would be very weak at best. But no way by hitting the top half of a ball on a down swing. This is what is scary about youth baseball or even in many high school programs the lack of knowledge when it comes to fundamentals by those that are suppossed to be instructing and if a child doesn’t go along with this kind of instruction from their coach he can be labeled difficult and uncoachable and therefore not played or not even make a team.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      That’s a battle our kids have to fight daily. If you take piano lessons, the music teacher doesn’t get mad…she gets excited! If you get a math tutor, your algebra teacher is pumped!

      If you get hitting instruction that makes sense and matches high level video footage…the baseball coach gets MAD!?!? How does that make sense? I have a high school kid in my program right now who hit less than .200 last year and entered the program about 5 months ago. We’ve overhauled his swing, he’s hitting the ball 18 MPH HARDER than he was…and his coach is telling him to go back to his old swing…



  6. Warren B. says:

    But don’t golfers hit their iron shots with a downward swing to impart backspin? Why not baseball players. Afterall, hitting a thrown baseball with a bat and hitting a golf ball lying motionless on the fairway with an angled club are the exact same thing right??? (Sorry Chas, I just couldn’t help myself!!)

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      HAHAHAHA. Sounds very much like a conversation I had at an in person lesson the other day…

      Thanks for reading Warren.


  7. Bennett Mann says:

    We have done this drill at my Junior College and the next day i get an email from the Baseball Rebellion telling me that the worst drill is one we are doing in COLLEGE nonetheless. You would think that guys that have been all-americans coaching us wouldn’t teach a downward swing and now I’m starting to think that our coaches are full of it. We’ve also done drills on our knees swinging with one hand.
    P.S. The best thing that happened to baseball is the “Phantom Camera” like the the analysts said

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      Remember, your coaches are trying to make you better…and if you’re at a JC, they don’t have time to research the best ways to make swings work. It is really amazing what guys will teach kids/college/pro guys just because it’s what they think they did.

      Here’s my response: Who cares what YOU did if you’re not one of the best ever. AND if you ‘did’ it…prove it on video. The proof is in the pudding.


  8. Troy Frazier says:

    Unbelievable video from a guy who was actually our PITCHING coach for the Evansville Otters in 2011, Marty Kenny. I played for one of the best hitting coaches in the country, John Cohen who’s now at Mississippi State and I can personally say we never did anything close to this drill and mostly the opposite. Looking forward to hearing from you.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      That is crazy. I think it’s just insane how videos like this get produced, watched and BELIEVED!

      Makes me sad man, because, as you know, so many kids get exposed to this instruction and then they wonder why they can’t hit…


  9. Caleb D says:

    Hey Chas,

    I was wondering if you would be willing to explain your “box” drill as a response to this improper bat path video. I know you’ve mentioned it before in videos but hoping you would show it in action. Keep rebelling.


  10. Big D says:

    The pictures are great. Isn’t the way to “defeat” that drill (or do it properly) is to swing inside the back tee (not down)? That’s what I teach my kid when he has do it. While his teamates hit grounders doing the drill, my kid hits line drives into the right/center gap. People think its magic. 🙂

    1. Chas Pippitt says:

      Big D,

      Yes, that’s one way to beat it. The way I want to beat it though is by exposing it as terrible so coaches stop doing it entirely.

      Isn’t it sad that your child has to ‘overcome’ his teaching?


  11. Bobby Craig says:

    I have been coaching Travel baseball the last 5 years and see these kinds of things being taught by other teams in practices and pregame warmups way too often. It makes you wonder if coaches even attempt these drills before they teach them. Would have loved to have been there when you guys gave the T drill a shot. To make it worse, I have seen guys that played college and/or pro ball teaching this craziness to kids. Most of them only desire to make money off their names and investing little time to analysis and research. With all the swing analysis videos, photos, physics, and other research materials available on the web, you would would think they would do a little homework (I guess they can’t learn common sense from a computer or book). I appreciate the time and effort you put into your instruction and in helping players of all ages play to their best ability. Hopefully one of these days I can get my son to one of your lessons, in case I am missing something.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I couldn’t have said it any better myself. It’s really an ethical issue, in my opinion, that coaches are unwilling to do the VERY LITTLE research it takes to figure out that, at the very least, the best hitters in the world are not swinging down. Or squishing the bug. Or throwing their hands at the ball.

      You mentioned that you hope you can get your son to one of my lessons…You can…all without leaving your house. Let me show you what our video lessons are really capable of.

      Kids from over 26 states already know…


  12. David Williams says:


    Good to see your educating the world on how to hit bombs and not pea shooters over the 2nd baseman’s head. Simple concept I always wondered in my playing days: why are we always taught to “swing down on the ball” if pitchers are taught to throw down in the zone. That results in a ground ball 9 out of 10 times. Only way to consistently drive the baseball is to swing level, if not with a slight upper cut. It’s physics for “Pete’s sake” (Matt Myers reference)…..the more level your swing, the more time your bat spends in the hitting zone, which obviously increases your chance of solid contact.

    Keep up the hitting crusade!

    DW (Pippitt

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      Thanks for checking us out man, long time no talk. Swinging slightly up is the way to go, you’re right about that. Geez-O-Pete DW you think we should swing up????

      We’ll keep up the fight man, and feel free to check out our other stuff and chime in. When you coming up here to see the facility???

      Chas– (Pippitt

  13. Jamie says:

    Not sure if you caught it on MLB channel yesterday but Freddie Freeman on the Braves was in a batting cage in Spring Training discussing his swing and what drills he prefers to do to get ready. He said he doesn’t like hitting off the tee because he can’t swing down at the ball off a tee in order to create the backspin he likes to get carry, much like the video above states. Instead he prefers front soft toss. I’ve seen Freeman swing, in fact he homered yesterday in a game and it does not apprear that he swings down at pitches at all. I may be wrong but he actuallly looks like he has quite an uppercut swing. Another case perhaps of a guy thinking he does one thing but video shows otherwise.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      Actually I did see that…and I think that’s what gave me the flu.


      1. Steven Mays says:

        Most players believe they are swinging down as that is what they were taught and learned early on. Players that make it to the next level adapted either purposefully or unconsciously. It is really a function of necessity to be able to compete with the top level pitchers they are facing. When they find they are outclassed and struggling, either by instruction, intuition, emulation, or experimentation, they adapt to keep up. The successful ones make it to the next level and vice versus. As a successful player’s swing develops and is refined over the years of countless repetitions, he often lacks a conscious awareness of what he is actually doing, but rather his subconscious develops his motor skills based on successes and failures. What is fascinating is that we see overwhelming evidence that one swing path is the only swing path that is predominantly successful. And what is equally fascinating is how few people recognize this, including the very players that are swinging successfully with this technique.

        1. Chas Pippitt says:

          Steven Mays,

          You’re right, players do believe or ‘feel’ they are swinging down. But saying a lie tons of times does not make it so (as you’re stating).

          How frustrating is it that making it up to higher levels requires ‘adaptation’ away from what players are taught? People are only willing to change when the pain of staying the same is less than the pain of change. That applies to athletes as well because letting go of their mechanics that ‘got them there’ is a scary idea. Some are not capable…those are the ones that are lost.


  14. Deveren says:

    Hi Chas, Im always in search of informed hitting instructors who know what actually happens in the baseball swing of the best hitters vs what most hitting instructors “think” happens. I myself am a professional hitting instructor, former player, and by my calculations have averaged 15-20 hitting lesson a week since 2003. I began teaching the swing path you advocate in 2004. Im one of 2 guys in the West Central Florida area that believes this is the most efficient path to the back of the ball. And all my clients hit for high average, and power, and it doesnt take them a year to see results. Two, three lessons, and you are seeing a totally different hitter. I teach my guys to have a different visual of hitting, a good hitter pulls his hands “out and slightly up” or in the same direction shoulder to shoulder that the “torso” rotates. The direction the pitch came in is the direction you pull your bottom hand into the back of the baseball, just like flying a frisbee with your bottom hand. Thats the visual a hitter needs, in my opinion. Most baseball people look at me like I have 3 heads when I talk hitting mechanics with others because not many people have slowed down the baseball swing to see what actually happens.Thank you for your information, I direct all my clients to any information that will help them understand the most efficient path of the baseball swing. Further proof that the swing path you advocate is more efficient, simply look at two players who signed free agent contracts this offseason, BJ Upton, 75 million, Josh Hamilton 125 million. BJ has twice the tools, and is a few years younger, but BJ swings down on the ball consistently, hence why he carries a sub .250 average, and will never max out his power numbers. BJ arguably if he had a more efficient swing path would have been a 150 million guy. Hamilton has a completely different swing plane, his bat comes from inside, behind and slightly underneath the ball, this swing path is much more efficient. Hence why he hits around .300, and maxes out his power numbers. Sadly I see minor league prospects released season after season because they cant hit, and its because the coaches in their organization advocate that they hit down on the ball. Two seasons of hittiing .205 and they get released. The organization has set them up to fail. This bad hitting advice wont stop until a professional organization is willing to give the swing path that you and I advocate a try with their minor league players. Or you and I get together and make more players aware of what actually happens in the baseball swing. Im ready to get to work when you are. Hopefully, we can connect and pick each others brain on hitting. Excellent hitting info!

  15. Bob Stanton says:

    I think this article is a bit insane! I hope you are referring to older, or top of the list, select type kids.

    Have you ever tried to coach an 5,6,7,8, or 9 year old how to swing? Especially the kids at the bottom of the lineup who are currently extremely uncoordinated who think that the way to swing is to drop their hands and try to lift the ball? What do you think happens when those kids get in front of a coach pitching, a pitching machine, or worse live pitching?

    How do you rid of an upper cut and try to give that young child some success and joy from playing the game? Let me tell you what you DON’T do! You absolutely DO NOT show them the swings of major league baseball players. YOU absolutely do that drill at the top of this page.

    These kids have absolutely no hope of learning a real hope until they learn the basics and the basics DO start with learning how to avoid the death move of dropping your hands and trying to lift the ball.

    Once & IF they start to understand that and start to learn some coordination then they can start moving on to more advanced type drills and looking at videos and snapshots of professional players.

    I hate to think that the father of one of the kids at the bottom of my team’s lineup would think if he read that article. After working all year on trying to give the kids some simple keys to put the bat on the ball – he would now think that he is Ryan Braun?!?! and should follow similar instruction!!

    Come on!

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I would direct you to my article on Youth Hitters Featured Here.

      What I can say to you is if you think the “Basics” mean “Teaching blatantly incorrect things” then I agree with you, that drill is a great drill to perform. Our kids can learn high level mechanics, as I’ve proven numerous times in my publication of youth swing changes, and I caution you strongly against using drills that you then have to ‘unlearn’ when the time is right.

      Getting the ball off the ground and into the air IS HITTING! How do guys get promoted? Their Fly Ball Percentage goes UP! On a side note, we had a 9 year old hit 4 home runs (over the fence) in a tournament last year…and we’ve had 8 year olds hit balls over 200 foot fences in games…lets talk about how much joy THAT brought that kid…

      I work with the kids of a Major League Pitching Coach and I have for some time. He constantly talks about “getting ground balls”. So Bob, if the Pitching coaches want to “get ground balls” and the hitting coaches are coaching “hitting ground balls”…someone’s wrong!

      I hope you really think about my response…I am about to be a father…and I know I’m not going to teach my son things that work when he’s 5-9 years old…I’m going to educate him in all facets of his life to the highest level of his capabilities. Kids can learn at a high level at a young age if taught correctly.

      Sometimes the Teacher, not the Student, is the variable.


      1. Bob Stanton says:

        Ridiculous… again you are NOT focusing on the bottom of the lineup kids who an average 5,6,7,8, or 9 year old coach is working with. If you think the average little league coach can focus on thoracic extension, you are clearly have more time than any LL coach I know! I work with professional coaches all the time and to promote this kind of advice as useful for these kids is the ultimate fallacy.

        For maybe 1/20 maybe.

        We focused on:

        Vision and maintaining the bend in the back leg at landing
        Completely turning and finishing the pelvis movement
        Thoracic extension
        Switching his back shoulder to his front shoulder, forcing a complete turn
        A strong back foot with a high back heel
        Keeping his weight back in his finish and solidly on his back foot

        1. Chas Pippitt says:


          I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. Perhaps you’ll allow me to work with your son to give him the type of results we clearly produce.

          High level instruction can be taught systematically, but just as you’re better at your job than I am, I’d probably coach a little league team at a higher level than you would.

          You asked me what experience I have coaching kids this age, probably about 1000 lessons. If you ask me about team coaching, my answer is none.

          What my information clearly states is that in a controlled learning setting you can learn this stuff, but I know from my camps and clinics, that we constantly improve kids ball exit speed and movement patterns in mere hours.

          I also state that the words we use are different and the drilling is modified to allow kids his age to learn.

          So I’d say that in 4 little league practices, we’d have dramatically different results.


  16. Bob Stanton says:

    PLUS – My son is an exception. My son works hard at advanced skills (many of which you refer to above which I do NOT disagree with) with advanced coaches.

    I think it is eggregious and arrogant that you poo poo drills that some kids need to be successful. Easy to sit in an ivory tower when you are teaching the best of the best and criticize drills that some of us NEED to get the bottom kids to improve AND for them to enjoy the game.

    The problem is that you are passing this off as advice that works for EVERYONE! I can promise you it doesn’t. The drill you are referring to as being the “The WORST Hitting Drill for Baseball or Softball” is a drill that has allowed numerous bottom of the lineup kids to have a tremendous amount of success and enjoyment from a game that they otherwise would probably not have enjoyed.

    I have done this for many years and will continue to do so, but your arrogance is annoying. And referring to my son… NAH he is just fine thanks

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      My information stands. I stand for accurate drills and ideas. I stand for teaching properly the first time, no matter how long it takes. I stand for pattern matching the best players in the world as when kids learn that, they can totally dominate and enjoy the game on a completely different level. I stand for testing to see if movements are working via video and exit speeds.

      Upper level mechanics help every kid, from 9 hole to 3 hitters, and always improve kids. Period.

      Arrogance is one thing, Accuracy is another. I’m not trying to be pompous or anger you, I’m trying to illuminate the fallacy of teaching these types of drills or forcing them on kids in a practice situation. I would say my tone is fair and video is on my side and so are the results of our players. Not every kid is destined to be great or have a ‘perfect swing’, but every kid can learn to do better than what they currently are. Everyone can learn that wants to learn. Everyone can avoid movements that do not make sense.

      I have done a drill called a ‘chop drill’ with some of my players to help with the issue of dropping the hands or fixing a dramatic uppercut, but as I pointed out to a father of an online lesson the other day, at the youngest ages of coach pitch, machine pitch, and kid pitch, the ball comes down at a tremendous downward angle, sometimes as high as 30 degrees. A dramatic uppercut is NEEDED to match that plane and hit the ball hard.

      I don’t want to argue with you.

      I hope you and your son continue to have success in coaching/playing and keep reading.


    2. Tony Cisneros says:


      It’s a bit weird that you would agree with the hitting principles of the article, yet insist that teaching incorrect principles to kids is correct.

      It’s disappointing that anyone would purposefully hinder a student/athlete by teaching them things that are incorrect and have no chance of helping them in the long run.

      Kids are capable of learning at an extraordinary pace. Their unbiased brains can learn languages, patterns, and yes, bodily movements so much faster than adults…and they have no preconceived notions about them.

      Of course you do not have to go through upper level hitting theory to them as a 5-year old; however, you are LYING to them if you are not having them do drills that are consistent with the best possible hitting mechanics that you know of.

      I do coach 5-7 year olds. You’re right…the weaker kids are weak. But they are there because they want to be there. And they can learn just as well as the stronger kids. And they have much more room to improve. Teaching them correctly takes the same effort on your part as does teaching them incorrectly. Giving them the correct tools gives them the biggest chance for improvement and success.

      Teaching them incorrectly only has one outcome – failure. I hope that you’ve since rethought your position and given the kids the chance to determine their outcome.

  17. mike says:

    Chas — I see your point for baseball. What about fastpitch softball? The trajectory of the ball is a bit different. Opinion?

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      Actually, it is not. All softball pitches, other than “riseballs” at the letters/neck go DOWN. Many people don’t realize this.

      This isn’t my opinion, it’s documented almost “SportsScience” style in an article I read that I looked for…but could not find.

      For the record, our softball players have an even greater technical advantage than our baseball players as they are generally taught they have ‘limited’ physical capabilities and therefore cannot hit in an athletic way. We disagree strongly with that and know from our own experience that softball players CAN hit this way. They just have to want to be better than what’s generally expected of them.


    2. Chas Pippitt says:


      Actually, it is not. All softball pitches, other than “riseballs” at the letters/neck go DOWN. Many people don’t realize this.

      This isn’t my opinion, it’s documented almost “SportsScience” style in an article I read that I looked for…but could not find.

      For the record, our softball players have an even greater technical advantage than our baseball players as they are generally taught they have ‘limited’ physical capabilities and therefore cannot hit in an athletic way. We disagree strongly with teaching sofball players to ‘slop’ and ‘fake bunt/slash’ every pitch and know from our own experience that softball players CAN hit athletically and powerfully. They just have to want to be better than what’s generally expected of them.


  18. Patrick Flanagan says:

    I think you should find out why this is being taught. Also why does Matt Kemp do this drill and swear by it? You don’t explain why you don’t like it. You just say it is garbage. You show a couple of clips and draw a couple lines. But really, do you think that major league batters are doing this for no reason or because they are horrible hitting instructors? Drill down into the “why” they do this and I think you won’t like the answer.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      This is being taught because it’s ‘easy’. It’s “Baseball Camp” mentality.

      I think we pretty clearly explain “why” we don’t like it with the pictures…because it’s totally irrelevant and inaccurate based on what HAPPENS in game swings.

      Just because these pros can overcome this information does not make it correct. AND, in a skill sport, it’s extremely important that young kids do what’s actually happening instead of practicing and then trying to overcome the practice.

      Say it out loud Patrick: “I want to practice movements and bat trajectories that don’t happen in games”. It’s hard for me to be nice about this drill…it ruins swings.

      I guess I should love this drill…drills like these keep me in business.


  19. Adrian Vore says:

    The double-tee drill shown above and the swing it is trying to develop is the absolute WORST technique. It’s incredible that guy has a baseball academy. Parents, if any ‘coach’ ever tells your kid to swing like that, immediately run away. No, and I mean NO, major leaguer hits like that. The pictures Chas shows prove it.

    I had a coach tell me to swing down, and I read a book by a major coach that said to keep your hands below the barrel on contact. It showed a picture of a player posing in this position. Try it yourself. Hold a bat as if you’re right at the point of contact and be sure the barrel is above your hands. What the heck – right? Look at a picture of any major leaguer making contact, and you’ll NEVER see a horrible chop like that.

    The swing-down instruction was the worst i had ever received. Where in the hell did that start and why has it continued? The instruction was bad enough, but then I took it to heart and practiced it and ingrained it. Ug. Now as an adult still playing hardball, I cringe when I hear that terrible, stupid instruction. YOU DON”T SWING DOWN ON A BALL AT CONTACT.

    Also, look at that video of that dreadful double-tee drill. Notice the coach’s front leg when the bat hits the ball. The leg is straight up and down. He’s on top of the front leg. Again, look at any major leaguer in a still picture or freeze it with your dvr. The front leg is angled back, It is NOT straight up and down. Lastly look at the swing of the coach and what happens to the ball. It’s an awkward, forced, unnatural swing, and he tops the ball, resulting in what looks like a comebacker.

    The proper swing is what you see in the pictures Chas provided. Yes, the swing begins down from where the hands are back by the shoulder, but then it comes up. When a major leaguer hits the ball, his hands are above the barrel – the barrel is rising – NOT GOING DOWN AT CONTACT. Ted Williams said it in his book – Up is the way.

    The correct swing looks like a U that’s been pulled open.

  20. show0706 says:

    I cant believe there are idiots like this guy here in the video. He should be ashamed of himself to even post this garbage. I would like to compare a baseball swing to that of a tennis player returning a volley. A tennis player doesnt swing down. He brings the racket down to the plane of the incoming ball and keeps it there and then swings it in the same plane. A baseball player should have similar mechanics.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:

      All Shore’s has no shortage of bad information…we’ve used their youtube comedy sketches quite a few times.

      In my recent article, I had tennis shot video. You should check it out.


  21. Susan H says:

    Hi Chas,
    Everyone has an opinion. Here’s mine. Regarding the top hand, bottom hand drill If you isolate it and teach it the way you’re thinking then yes you could absolutely be taking them down a narrow path of destruction. I coach fastpitch (softball). We use the top hand/ bottom hand drill to 1 enforce the palm up palm down at contact and 2, to increase their arm strength. We do not use it to muck up their hips…not sure why you believe that is the case. Now…as for your drop hands and uppercut…not a very good bat mechanic in the game of fastpitch…I as a coach look for that mechanic on my opposing teams and then have my pitchers throw their rise balls and curve/rise…I love you coaches who ‘enforce’ that…it’s a great way of securing an out! Baseball and Softball are two different worlds when it comes to batting mechanics so I’m not sure why you put “softball” in your title of this blog.

    I’m sure your batters have great power and swing for the fences all the time but batting isn’t only about homeruns…it’s about contact and more of it. Teaching kids to hit only homeruns seems a bit narrowminded if you ask me (not that you are). I’ve lost count on how many times a major league team has the tie run in scoring position and the batters are going for the fence only to fly out or strike out. If they were taught how to move runners and score runs rather than up their “homerun” numbers they may win more games. Teach kids to be productive batters….not hero’s. But again…softball and baseball are two different worlds…what you can get away with in baseball is your demise in our game.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      As you illuminated early in your post, everyone does have an opinion. I’d just tell you that some are more valid than others.

      As for arm strength in hitting, I can’t believe that you think that ‘arm strength’ is relevant in hitting. I implore you to read up on how we teach our powerful turn, perhaps your teams would be so far ahead that ‘moving runners’ could be something that happens for you hitters in the form of doubles and 3-run-homers.

      The ‘Drop the hands and uppercut’ comment really shows how little study you’ve done on our proven, teachable, and video backed teaching methodology. At BR, we advocate for the hands to stay as high as possible throughout the turn and the body posture of the spine allows for the upward trajectory of the pitch. It is a proven fact that all softball pitches go DOWN other than rise-balls that are out of the strike zone. You can read more on that HERE

      Our batters do have great power, but I’ll talk about our softball batters specifically, like the ones who left former Team USA softball players to use our services to great success. And our products being purchased by other top level former players.

      What’s funny to me about this comment is I know for a fact that girls can hit this way and hit for more accuracy and power. The body is stronger than the arms. I don’t need to ‘coach fastpitch’ to know that. I’d love to see one of your players execute a properly done bottom or top and drill. In fact, if you post the video, I’ll break it down for you to show you how much better your player could be if they did not do said drill.

      To your comment that it’s ‘about contact’, I’d say that’s a pretty huge slap in the face to the defenders on the opposing team. And, I’d love to know why so many top programs have girls with completely inept swing mechanics, no power, and terrible batting averages. Girls are CONSTANTLY held back by bad instruction in hitting (SLAP HITTING ARE YOU KIDDING ME) and I just think it’s sexist and unfair. If I have a daughter, I’ll never hold her back and champion ‘contact’.

      Instead of justifying your coaching methods, please tell me the PRINCIPLES of hitting that you’re trying to instill. Hint: Palm up Palm down isn’t supported by video of one hand drills, so try again. I’ll buy the strength aspect, but you should never train a STRENGTH move while doing a SKILL. It erodes the skill instantly.


  22. Susan H says:

    Well…top 3 hitters on my team…625+ average…my “slapper” has a 730 on base average and a 675 batting average. My power hitter…710 two consecutive tournaments…680 season average My next four hitters 500 averages. My bottom hitters are in the 400’s. Opinions aren’t validated by the way facts are. My facts are good and I’m pretty sound in what I coach and how I coach it. I appreciate that you’re selling something and in order for you to sell that product you must instill in everyone and anyone that it is the only way. So who are your Major League success stories?

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I’m impressed with ‘your’ hitters…I just thought it was about the kids?

      Just imagine how good they’d be if you didn’t hold them back with your methods!

      I hope you keep reading! Again, if you’d like to send me a video to break down, I’d love to do it.

      Also…who are you playing? Doesn’t sound like much competition.


      “When the facts are with you, pound the facts. When the facts are against you, pound the table!” Physics wins. Cooked books and single team sample sizes lose.

  23. person says:

    I think people are just taking this way to serious if you don’t agree with the methods THEN YOU DON’T HAVE TO TEACH THEM!! and to Susan and bob, calm down!! it’s kids baseball it doesn’t matter all that much just teach the kids how you want them to hit and we’ll see how it goes. To chas great article and just keep teaching

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      Thanks for the props but I have to disagree with you slightly, Person.

      I do think it matters that people are out there like Susan, dramatically limiting their hitter’s potential. It makes me sad that all the proof out there won’t change these people’s ‘beliefs’ about hitting. I don’t remember Bob’s comment.


  24. Travis says:

    Chas, I’m very desperate at this point for your help..and opinion! My son has a very polished swing he probably could change a thing or 2,like rushing and being tense through his load! But for dome reason his back leg instead of gaining ground forward moves sides ways/ backwards towards the 3rd base dugout.. He’s a righty. I’ve seen this with hanley ramirez quite a bit but obviously there is only ONE hanley.. I can’t figure out the cause for this… He hits for a ton of power and isn’t very big! If you could help me out here I’d love it man, thanks for all the articles! Keep conquering the hitting world!!!

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I know exactly what you’re talking about. That’s “proof of push” meaning he’s trying to push his hips around.

      He’s got to pull his back foot forward instead of trying to push his hips around. Think Chubby Checker, not Elvis Pressly.


  25. Kevin N says:

    Hi Chas:

    Read your article and agree that the drill performed in the video is incorrect. However the drill itself is used to eliminate the separation of the hands from the body and prevent players from swing around the baseball.
    I would bet that all the players highlighted in this article would miss the deep tee.

    If the goal is to hit off our front knee any swing that makes contact with the back tee would be way too long for most hitters to be consistently successful

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      The drill itself is terrible…period.

      There’s very little merit to it at any level for any reason. All the players highlighted in the article would destroy the deep tee, as clearly shown by the drawings.

      I guess I’m just not sure what you’re seeing. I hope you don’t use that drill. It has no place in the game.


  26. Will Fiorelli says:

    How funny to see this article. I am a Travel softball and Varsity high school coach. I was in a heated discussion with a fellow coach for teaching this. I am smiling like crazy now. Just made my day. My first question was how do you expect the girls to stay behind the ball when they are swinging down? Would work for for slap hitters.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I’m glad you enjoyed the article. It’s funny…there’s really not EVER a good reason to swing down…

      Its crazy to sacrifice your opportunity for powerful contact on the barrel for ‘shortness’ to a small contact point.


  27. Johnny Blue Craig says:

    For years my kid was taught the downward swing or short and to the ball. His stats were terrible. Not knowing much about baseball I accepted it. I started watching great hitters swings in slow motion and those swings were contradicting what my son was being taught. Finally and fortunately a coach named Jamey Shouppe who coached at Florida State for 22 years and is now head coach at Florida A&M University in Tallahassee, Florida began teaching my son the correct swing path. He is now playing in college and is hitting very good. Thank you Coach Shouppe.! Without you my son’s baseball career would be over. Dad’s, if your kid is being taught to swing down please leave that instructor.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      Coach Shouppe actually worked with Justin Orenduff at Team USA tryouts a few years back…small world!

      I’m glad it wasn’t too late for your son…that downward swing has ended many a career.


  28. Corey says:

    Chas – I will certainly take this into consideration. Great info. I’ve been preaching bat velocity with my 10 year old team this year. Never used the back T drill until this year and many felt uncomfortable with it so I stopped it. But one thing I try to teach is bat velocity and keeping hands in and getting away from bat drag. Your article was very interesting and I am a person open to all ideas as every player does differ a little. On a personal note, my 9 year old is a bid power hitter. He’s over 5ft and weighs 125 lbs. He throws very hard and we always do proper drills for arm strength and hits very hard, about a 12-13 year old level. When he gets lift it carries forever but also hits many ground balls. To me it seems like he is not getting proper hand foot separation as he loads while pitcher is in motion and strides with foot and hands at same time. Could this be the reason for all the ground balls?

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I suppose the answer is yes…but I’m totally guessing.

      You should consider our online program, then I could tell you the answer.

      One word of advice: Don’t let your son be good because he’s big…make him good…and let the BIG be the icing on the cake. Not the cake.


  29. Billy Reese says:

    Agree and disagree, and here is why. The guy in the video absolutely has a downward / incorrect bat path and teaching the downward path is also incorrect, in my opinion. He is teaching a kid to have a huge hole in his swing and must have absolute perfect timing to be successful. I do use a high back tee drill, but in a completely different manner. We set the back tee slightly further outside of the front tee, because we are trying to rid them of sweeping and dragging the bat through the zone. We use it to attack the ball from the inside of the back tee, to prevent casting and dragging the bat through the zone.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      That’s great if that’s how you use it, but we’re talking about how THIS GUY in the video is using it.

      There are many ways to skin a cat…and modify drills to make them functional…

      But this drill, as depicted, is awful.


      1. Billy Reese says:

        Agreed, sadly places like youtube make it easy for anyone to be a “hitting instructor” and most parents looking to do right by their kids don’t know the difference.

  30. Bill says:

    Forgive me, but I disagree, not completely, but to some considerable extent.

    Maybe these drills go too far, maybe they create more problems than they solve, and maybe some coaches emphasize the downward swing too much.

    But there is one basic fact that nearly every internet baseball coach seems to miss when criticizing players and coaches who believe in the downward swing.

    And the basic fact that is missed is that teaching a downward swing WORKS for MANY players MUCH of the time.

    No one would advocate this swing if it NEVER produced results on the baseball field.

    And here is why the advice works. It does not, if done correctly, cause players to literally swing down through impact; rather, it encourages a swing that is simply less of an uppercut than would otherwise be the case. In other words, hitting down is good advice for players whose swing plane is naturally tilted too high. It is obviously bad advice for players whose swing planes are either correct or are tilted too low.

    And the other benefit of TRYING to swing down is that it is a great way to combat the number one scourge of good hitting, in my opinion: bat drag.

    I welcome all responses.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I really enjoyed your comment. It was thoughtful and well defended, and I agree with much of it.

      The main issue that I don’t agree with is that ‘teaching a downward swing WORKS for MANY players MUCH of the time’. What has been proven, time after time, is that players do not swing down in a game, which you agree with as well. I just can’t see the need for entire HS teams to be subjected to the ‘downward swing’ and the ‘hit ground balls swing’ and the ‘back side swing’ all practice long all year long.

      The other part of your comment I do not agree with is that ‘No one would advocate this swing is if NEVER produced results on the baseball field’. The fact of the matter is, there are zero High Level Hitters who swing down in games. None. I think baseball, more than all other sports, has proven itself to be backward thinking technically over and over again. Many hitting lessons across the country are glorified story time with a pro. Very few use video, very few are full time instructors, and even less study the game on any level relevant to TEACH and take money for their services.

      I will admit, I use the drill IN MODERATION, and in very specific circumstances, to correct an exaggerated uppercut. However…I would never advocate it in a team setting (which is almost always where this is used, at a hitting station at a team practice) or without the proper supervision of a qualified and engaged professional hitting coach (who is worthy of the title).

      I have done thousands of lessons, so has JK. We see the ‘downward’ swing uploaded and in person all the time. The one that’s taught by little league coaches and HS coaches at team practices. The one that promotes ground balls to ‘take advantage of the defense’. The one that ‘creates backspin so the ball can carry’ You know, the one that creates backside flairs and rollover grounders because the kids are so afraid to let it rip because if they hit a fly ball they have to run a lap. The one that limits kids chances to hit for power, maximize their potential, and play at the next level (college or pro).

      That use and that application is why this is the worst drill in the world. But this drill, like most drills, has its uses and merits when in the proper setting.

      Thank you for your comment, it was one of the best we’ve ever gotten.


  31. Adam says:

    I grew up the son of a former college coach and had the opportunity and blessing to play at a fairly high level at the division 1 level. I agree with what you are saying, but if you watch a game or you take BP at a above average level you can tell some balls are hit that have backspin and some that have topspin. What creates the difference? I know that balls that I hit with backspin were going a lot farther then balls I hit with topspin even when I felt I squared them up. I am not defending the drill or the downward swing I am just curious in your opinion where the difference comes from. I agree there is a huge difference in feeling something in your swing and actually putting into practice while teaching. Any input would be helpful.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      You can swing up and create backspin. Most people are taught to cut the ball to create backspin…so…that really impacts the amount of FORCE you can put into the ball directionally.

      Any downward swing will create backspin…but you really limit your opportunity to generate maximum force into the plane of the pitch.

      We want the MISTAKES to have topspin. Those get through the holes quicker, don’t hang in the air, and drop over the infielders heads. We want our Correct hits to have an upward swing that hits just below center of the ball (or dead center) that will create backspin and carry.


  32. CoachinFool says:

    The sad reality is that many travel ball coaches and “professional” hitting instructors teach a linear/down on the ball swing. There are several reasons for this. Initially, they are creatures of habit and rely on what they were taught many years ago before video break-down of swing mechanics was readily available. Additionally, if you are charging people huge bucks to play on your travel team, or huge dollars for hour long “lessons”, the last thing you are going to do is admit that what you were teaching is wrong and change your ways. Finally, many of these folks are arrogant and are too busy giving bad lessons to research what they should be teaching. They are paid for their expertise, so they are going to sound like they are the omniscient when it comes to hitting. With all of these so-called experts teaching bad swing mechanics its no wonder that so many coaches are doing the same thing. Your son or daughter would be far better off with no professional hitting instruction than incorrect professional hitting instruction. The bad muscle memory it develops is very difficult to correct.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:

      Coachin’ Fool

      Beautifully said.


  33. Rob M says:

    The tees aren’t set with the back tee to swing over. That’s proper execution of the drill. The back tee is set so the bat clears the back tee inside the tee, hands inside ball with bat missing tee
    This 2 tee drill is a good drill if done properly. 2 tees set in those positions are fine. Chopping down over top off the back tee is not the proper drill.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I suppose there’s a ‘correct use’ for every situation/drill.

      Bottom line, the drill is often times (as shown in the video) improperly set up and executed.


  34. Tracy says:

    Great article. As I watched that video it is hard not to laugh/cry because what he is describing what the ball will do is PHYSICALLY impossible. It doesn’t even make sense even without video break down of the hitting motion, the video of good hitters doing it the right way just reinforces this reality.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I agree. I can’t imagine posting something like that online…rolling over a grounder to the shortstop, and then talking about backspin line-drives…

      Totally baffling.


    2. Chad Keller says:

      My son was on a travel team that made the kids do the high tee drill and hit a kick ball to see who could hit it the furthest. I was the only one that could see that every kid on the team hit the ball straight into the ground. When I asked the coach if my kid could hit the kick ball without the high tee and see if it goes further, he just told me, NO.

      1. Chas Pippitt says:


        If you’re showing people video of pros…and they still say they swing down…you might as well talk to the wall.

        And why do you think your coach said “NO” to your question? He’d have been exposed as a buffoon. Furthermore…if your coach isn’t a professional coach, he should be taking much more direction from you, the child’s father, than it seems that he is.


  35. Chad Keller says:

    I have been arguing with people in my area for years on this subject. I have taught both of my sons to hit the correct way of getting on plane with the ball and other coaches are constantly telling them to keep their hands up and swing down. It’s to the point that I have told my kids to just ignore them and keep doing it the way I’ve taught them. If I bother to explain my beliefs on the subject, they just act like I’m wring and don’t know what I’m talking about. I have even shown people videos and they tell me that they are swinging down and that I don’t understand what I’m looking at. It is so infuriating!

    1. Rich says:

      It’s amazing Chad. My daughter is 8, we’ve been revamping her swing and the improvement in 2 weeks is dramatic. She’s already smashing balls in the gaps. Yet, every time we are in the cage someone makes a comment about the loop in her swing or how her stride is too big. It’s amazing how everyone is an expert! We’re still learning but I can tell you that her power improvement is dramatic. She’s also easily using a 19oz bat instead of the 14oz. she needed for the A-B-C swing.

      1. Chas Pippitt says:


        That’s how it works man…physics is undefeated. Use that advantage!


  36. Rich says:

    How does this approach relate to softball hitting as the ball is approaching the hitting zone from below?

    1. jkhittingrebel says:


      There is a big misconception that the softball pitch rises through the hitting zone. In fact the softball pitch does reach a max height and go back down through the hitting zone.

      JK –

  37. Keith says:

    Man. I really liked this drill until now. My son’s issue (one of them) is that he was dropping his barrel. The difference between dipping the barrel and getting on plane seem pretty close. I’ll consider sending some video. Thanks.

  38. Mike says:

    The problem with most hitting instruction, and I’d be willing to bet it is part of the 11,000+ hitting lessons spoken about above, is that the emphasis is on the mechanics of the swing.

    There are thousands and thousands of former baseball players with visually beautiful swings that can’t hit their weight because they’ve never been taught the most important factor in hitting. When someone gets as piqued about mechanics enough to post something like the above it is evidence that he misses it to.

    The fact is there are no mechanics when a player commits on the wrong pitch. Mechanics are slave to decision making, decision making is slave to visual discipline.

    Here’s a fact, avoid…at all costs…any teacher of youth baseball that uses the mechanics of a major league baseball player to teach.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I agree, mechanics break down when a hitter is fooled or undisciplined with their pitch selection. No argument there. What I don’t understand is how you’d question my commitment to ‘visual discipline’ as I’ve written numerous articles about vision specifically…(google search “HeadRight HeadLight Baseball Rebellion” and read up…)

      Your fact that you should ‘avoid…at all costs…any teacher of youth baseball that uses the mechanics of a major league baseball player to teach.‘ is literally one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen posted in a comment here. What would you rather have as a general model? Please, give a better alternative than using the most successful players of all time to help our kids learn to hit? There is no coincidence that HR’s are down at an almost 20 year low and that batting averages are down as well. The hitting technique commonly taught, and really misguided thought processes, like yours, limit kids of all ages all over the world.

      Another question I have for you is this: Once you get their ‘vision and decision making’ right…are you gonna call us to fix their mechanics? Save yourself some time…hire us sooner than later and save your players the frustration you’ll almost certainly bring upon them.


  39. Mike says:


    The reason that hitting is down in the major leagues is that the major league batters are undisciplined and pitchers are taking full advantage of that. 20 years ago I was part of a group that wrote a very substantial amount of Key Man life insurance (life insurance owned by the pro teams to indemnify them for the value of the athlete to their business) on a number of professional athletes…one happened to be Greg Maddux (we also wrote a substantial amount on Tom Glavine and on the then 6 top executives of CNN ). During the process I had a chance to discuss pitching with Greg’s agent and his comments were very telling. I asked what made Greg so good when he certainly didn’t have overpowering stuff so coveted by the major leagues. He said that one thing that made Greg so effective is that he takes advantage of the fact that major league hitters will consistently offer at a pitcher’s pitch in a hitter’s count. He said it was mental toughness. When questioned as to what that translated to, he said that major league hitters are so talented that most have been able to succeed to that point based on talent alone and not by working on their craft. They get paid to hit and are anxious to do that so Greg refused to throw a hitter a hitter’s pitch in a hitter’s count. Because he refused to give in, he let the hitters expand the zone to his pitches .

    Former Major League reliever Billy Wagner was asked in an interview if there was pressure being a closer and he said that there was not as much pressure on him as there was on the batters. He said that most major league batters want to hit the baseball and will expand the strike zone to put the bat on the ball and, in a situation where the game is on the line, they are even more willing to expand the zone. It has gotten worse today. All you have to do is watch a major league game today to see that the vast majority of the players have little knowledge of their strike zone and don’t have the plate discipline needed against the increased velocity and fresher pitchers of today (the average number of pitchers appearing in games and the average fast ball velocities have both gone up). There is a huge difference between 95 belt high and 95 at the knees and that difference increases exponentially as the velocity increases.

    The reason you don’t use major leaguers as examples of mechanics for youth baseball is that many major leaguers are “successful” doing things that non-major league players cannot get away with and succeed. Very, very few do it the way young players should learn to do it. These guys are 1 in a million, talent wise, and they are strong beyond the capability of most (read almost all) sub-varsity baseball players. A major leaguer can get “long” in his swing, but his bat speed may approach or exceed 100 mph where a varsity player who is pushing 80-85 just ain’t making it consistently with a long swing. The younger the kid, the more vulnerable to this issue.

    95% + of all hitting instruction that I have been around…and I have been around a ton of it in 50+ years around the game, is centered on the mechanics of the swing. In these lessons visual discipline and the connected decision making is never emphasized…if it is touched upon at all it is a secondary part of a drill focused on mechanics. Untold thousands of dollars have been spent on hitting instruction so kids look good striking out, popping up or grounding out because they’ve never been taught “how to hit” but rather have been taught “how to swing.” I want to puke when I hear “good swing.”

    The most important part of hitting is the “go/no-go” decision. There are no “good swings” at the wrong pitch, none. Mechanics are, and will always be slave to decision making. The absolute rock-solid foundation of decision-making is gathering enough data points on the flight of the ball so that the brain can act. Doctor Joan Vickers (University of Calgary) and her colleagues have spent years studying where and how an athlete should employ visual discipline in their respective sports. One thing they have found (and I am summarizing in my words) is if the visual discipline is optimized, the brain organizes the body to get the job done. For example, I have videoed kids (high school age) on a tee, then taken a bat out of their hands, worked exclusively on focus, then put them back on a tee and their swings have improved dramatically (from a mechanical standpoint) without once mentioning or working on the mechanics of their swing. As one father said, “It’s f****** magic”.

    Teach a simple swing that can maximize a young man’s ability to get the bat to the place his brain has determined the ball will be, in the shortest amount of time possible, and you’ve done him a service. Teach him how to “know” which pitch to employ that swing on…and the discipline to do it…and you’ve made him a hitter. Getting a kid bogged down in mechanics is a disservice.

    Speaking of the major leagues, I’ve never seen a “hot hitter” interviewed who, when asked what’s going right that has him hitting well, hasn’t responded first with something like, “I’m seeing the ball well”. I’ve never heard one say…I adjusted the plane of my swing.

    The pictures you use as “proof” that the high tee batting drill (by the way I’ve never used that drill so my comments aren’t in defense of the drill) is bogus, don’t prove anything in themselves. There’s nothing in those pictures that indicate that the balls were hit or, if the bat actually hit the ball, was it put in play with authority. I am not going to assume they weren’t, but to assume that those pictures indicate that the “high back tee drill” is bogus, is equally bogus. Even at the major league level, ten to twenty percent of their swings are going to be bad and not indicative of their normal swing…so one picture from untold hundreds of thousands of swings ain’t close to to enough evidence to back a position.

    One thing I have found in baseball today is that most kids coming into high school (I run a Summer baseball league for a Texas high school as a volunteer) is that there are more that suffer from over- coaching and under encouragement…than there are from who suffer from under coaching and over encouragement.

    BTW, I have never, and will never, charge for baseball instruction and I have spent thousands of hours at it over the last 30 years.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      That was a very thoughtful response.

      I have not figured out a way to have a sample size of thousands in an article. That many pictures would take quite some time to find and load. I suppose I use my own knowledge through thousands of hours of video study, game watching, practical time teaching, and success though my players at all levels.

      My ‘proof’ must be ‘displayed’ in a few pictures…as again…the examples I’m drawing from are exhibited in every game, all the time, everywhere at the highest levels.

      We agree on one thing: I agree, mechanics break down when a hitter is fooled or undisciplined with their pitch selection. No argument there. What I don’t understand is how you’d question my commitment to ‘visual discipline’ as I’ve written numerous articles about vision specifically…(google search “HeadRight HeadLight Baseball Rebellion” and read up…)

      as that was my quote from my first response to you. Please do not generalize my instruction style based on one article…we talk about pitch selection, adjustability, recognition constantly. And our players achieve great results improving in those areas due to the work we do. Many ‘hitting’ lessons with us do not even involve hitting. In fact, I’ve only got one product…and one drill using that product…that allows full speed hitting while using one of my hitting products. That means, we focus on movement improvement and visual discipline mostly in our lessons before the swing is even ready to reveal.

      I hope that clarifies my position…but that drill, the high tee low tee drill in particular, and the demonstration of the swing in that video in particular…has no relevance based on the actual swing paths of GOOD swings by the best players. Those are not compensations…those are elite movements. They can be taught…and the elite movements, coupled with proper visual and mental preparation and training can lead to a maximally successful hitter.

      Thank you for reading, I hope you continue to contribute. We need more people like you on this site.


    2. Gabe Dimock says:


      I thought Chas’ response was spot on but I’ll throw my two cents in as well. Like Chas said we agree that visual discipline is one of the biggest keys to any hitters success. We do many drills focusing on vision without using a bat! You’re right about Major Leaguers occassionally swinging at bad pitches but I think you forget how difficult hitting really is. It’s hard enough to catch up to 95+ MPH fastballs much less the darting 88 MPH slider, changeup, etc… Major League Hitters are great but they are not machines. They still make mistakes and put their pants on one leg at a time just like the rest of us.

      I also think you miss the value that mechanics can give to decision making. The more efficient a hitter is in his or her swing pattern, the later the swing decision has to be made. Later decisions allow for more information regarding pitch location, speed, and type. We have had many players come in for their evaluations with relatively good visual discipline but less than efficient mechanics. After training, these hitters are not only able to hit more balls harder but they are also better decision makers. This leads to much more successful hitters in competition and more enjoyment in the game altogether.

      I think you have some good points but are missing a large part of the picture. Thanks for your comments and I encourage you to keep an open mind on the mechanics side of the conversation.

      -Gabe Dimock

    3. Karl says:

      Your argument concerning bat speed is a non-factor. Albert Pujols consistently put up good numbers with “average” bat speed (topping out at 87 mph). The players who consistently put up 100+ mph bat speed tend to have lower averages. It isn’t that top players are able to get away with a “longer” swing. Rather, as you climb through the levels of baseball, fewer players are able to get away with the “hands-to-the-ball” or “swing down” type swing. In fact, only a few players are able to get away with it when they reach the major leagues. Jeter was one of the few who could get away with it and have a long, successful career. Others find that they need to overhaul their swings after the swing they were taught failed them in the upper levels of minor leagues or the major leagues (Andres Torres is an example). The long, loopy swing isn’t even longer than the hands to the ball swing.

      What good is pitch selection if you can’t make solid contact with a good swing? It doesn’t do you any good whatsoever. You need to have good mechanics, drilled through repetition (which includes selecting good pitches in practice and games). You might call this getting bogged down in mechanics, but I don’t. You want to get to the point where you don’t think about your mechanics when you swing. You save that for practice and film analysis. When it comes down to game time, you don’t need to think about your mechanics because they have become ingrained in your muscle memory. You are now free to look for a good pitch to hit and you have confidence that you can hit it because you have good mechanics.

      The bottom line is that establishing solid mechanics is the most important aspect of teaching hitting. If the mechanics aren’t there, having good pitch selection isn’t going to do any good. Unless you have good mechanics, pitchers can throw the ball in the middle of the plate and not have to worry about you doing anything with it.

  40. Mike says:


    Gabe, your defensiveness has caused you to create positions I have not taken.

    I don’t, and didn’t ignore, the ability of the pitchers in the major leagues…but it is a mistake to assume that the increase in velocities and the fresher arms (due to the larger number of pitchers being used in games) are a mismatch for the physical abilities of major league players. Major league players, despite dropping averages and HRs, are the physical equal of the pitching. Pitchers are paid to get batters out, they don’t have to strike out every pitcher to be successful, they can be successful inducing batters to expand their zone and offer at pitches they can do very little with. They also know that major league batters are willing to offer at pitcher’s pitches in hitters counts and they are taking advantage of this. This is about the approach and discipline of major league hitters today…and what they are getting paid to do. (they are paid to hit) The “shifts” so often employed today are highlighting the issues hitters are having with their approach to hitting and, in a lot of cases, their inability to adapt. You and I may be physically overmatched by a 95 mph fast ball, but they aren’t and no one hits a darting 88 mph slider…so the key is to not have to hit the darting 88 mph slider. If you find yourself in a situation where you are going to have to protect against a called strike (ie. 2 strikes in the count) you have to be determining which darting 88 mph slider you want to offer at…flailing at a non-strike ain’t going to make it. Did you see the Royals ABs in the 8th last night…yikes.

    You say I miss the value of mechanics and that is clearly not the case if you read what I have written, mechanics are important they are just subservient to the decision to swing or not swing. You can have a text book swing that comes out 99% of the time and hit .200 and below if you have no plate discipline and your visual discipline skills are lacking.

    I say this half jokingly, but the top two pitching instructors who’ve ever lived are Mohammed Ali and Yoda.

    First, “Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee…Frazier CAN’T HIT WHAT HE CAN’T SEE.”

    Second, “To know and not do, is to not know”

    Seeing the pitches (allowing your brain sufficient data to act) and the discipline to operate within a plan is the secret to hitting well. The player who has these two and imperfect mechanics will outperform the player with perfect mechanics and imperfect visual and actual discipline. I stated above:

    “Teach a simple swing that can maximize a young man’s ability to get the bat to the place his brain has determined the ball will be, in the shortest amount of time possible, and you’ve done him a service. Teach him how to “know” which pitch to employ that swing on…and the discipline to do it…and you’ve made him a hitter. Getting a kid bogged down in mechanics is a disservice.”

    I don’t ignore mechanics, I keep them in the proper perspective. I have found that there is a wider range of acceptable mechanics than there is a range of acceptable visual and plate discipline.

    1. Gabe Dimock says:


      I apologize if I sound defensive. My intent was to simply explain why high level mechanics are imperative to good decision making. I think it is reasonable to say your opinion is counter to this. In order to teach young hitters high level mechanics, you have to look at high level players who maximize their body’s potential. I think we agree on the importance of vision and and decision making but disagree on the mechanical influence on decision making and on the influence of teaching Major League mechanics to youth hitters. We argue that this teaching is positive while you may say it is negative or irrelevant. I don’t mean to put words in your mouth but I am drawing conclusions from you previous posts. Thanks for your thoughts and correspondence!


  41. Tim says:

    My daughter is 11 and plays travel ball. Her hitting coach has been making her hit off of a high tee to keep from dipping down. She doesn’t use 2 tees like the video. So my question is. Is her hitting of the tee high helping her swing or making it worse?

    1. jkhittingrebel says:


      If the coach is using a high tee to prevent from “dipping down” then it is making her worse most likely. There are some cases where a hitter may swing up too much but even then they probably do not know the correct way to swing up through the ball path. In those rare occasions, a high tee may be a good thing. I would say 99% of the time, the high tee drills will do more harm than good.


  42. Slowmotion says:


    I found your website and blog as I was searching for images on the web of hitters at the point of contact in the MLB. Your thoughts are spot on as it relates to physics and mechanics of a swing. Seems pretty simple to grasp the concept of if you are swinging down on a ball that is going down…the ball has only one place to go. “Down”. I have taken the time to prove this concept to my two daughters…one playing Div I softball and the other signed to play Div I next year. I also have a son that is 14 and plays high level travel baseball. What I set out to prove is exactly what you are stressing in your blog. I took a still photo of 100 MLB hitters at the point of contact on a low pitch….knee caps and below. It was longest homeruns in MLb in past 5 years on a ESPN. In every photo taken at the point of contact the barrel is well below the hands and the barrel is on its way up at contact and through extension. The catchers glove was set up low ( at or below knees to start ). If any of these hitters were swinging down the ball would have gone straight in the ground.

    The drill the works the best is in fact a low tee…where the ball I set at the knees or below. That is where softball and baseball pitchers live…why not practice hitting a ball where you will see it in a game. I have a lot more data and real experience in seeing this work first hand in both sports. This is literally rooted in research and , practice and results show on the field.

    Slow motion

  43. Jim says:

    I have used the high tee drill before with some success. Players who drop their hands early, start their swing with their hands, and tend to get the back elbow caught behind the body, and end up late with no extension.
    I find the high back tee, forces kids to start their swing with the lower body, to get in front of the tee, then start the hands. Note I don’t put the tee armpit high. What drill do you use to get the lower body to start the swing, and not let the elbow get caught behind the body?

  44. Tim says:

    What actually happens in a swing and what the hitter thinks he’s doing are two different things. If we use upper cut language while teaching, we will get an exaggerated upper cut producing routine fly balls, pop ups and strike outs. If we use direct path or slightly down language while teaching, we will get the proper lag in the bat to produce line drives and gappers. You can’t stop lag from happening, but you can make it worse by enforcing it.
    Why do we compare 12 year olds or even HS kids to professionals whose job is to hit home runs or lose their job. This is crazy! This upper cut language will get a 175lbs kid a routine fly ball in HS that fails to help his team. Have you ever seen a fly ball take a bad hop? Have you ever seen a player beat out a fly ball to first base? Why is it that no instructors anywhere talk about the value of a productive out? A ground ball to the right side that moves a runner to third. How about a ground ball that scores a runner from third? How many players can perform a hit and run properly with an upper cut? There’s so much more to this game than watching a MLB hitter hit home runs and think “that’s how I’m suppose to hit”
    No, no you’re not suppose to hit like Barry Bonds! These guys are 1% of 1% of all MLB hitters! Learn how to help your team win games, line drives, gappers, and GROUND BALLS, hard ground balls!

    1. Gabe Dimock says:


      Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately most players are taught with a lot of the same language you used above regarding swinging down and putting too much emphasis on backside ground balls. Instead of learning to drive the ball and finding out how good they can be, young players have their ceilings lowered because of this passive approach. We know that many players will not be home run hitters but the way in which they will help their team the most is by hitting the ball as hard as possible and as consistently as possible! We are not saying that situational hitting has no place in the game but we do think it has been given too much weight when compared to developing hitters to have individual success. Higher individual success = higher team success. That philosophy sure seems to working out for Kentucky Basketball! Thanks again for the comment.

      -Gabe Dimock

    2. Chas Pippitt says:


      I’m sorry you have had a bad experience with your kids using ‘uppercut’ language. We clearly have had a different experience with our kids based on our videos and articles.

      Value of ‘productive outs’ to the kid vary greatly. We are more in line with improving the individual player, as Gabe said, than the team. I want ALL my kids to be the 3 hole hitter, to maximize their potential so they can continue their careers. Ground ball approaches pretty much make sure that kids don’t maximize their swings and ‘moving runners’ doesn’t get scholarships and drafted as easily as moving balls over the fence and to the wall.

      Now, if we have a kid who has too much of an uppercut, we deal with it, but that’s a gross outlier and not something that happens much with proper teaching verbiage and drilling. I know I never want to limit my students or my own son by making him ‘get hits’ at the level he’s at instead of preparing him for the highest level his body can attain.


  45. James says:

    High back tee is a joke…. makes no sence at all.
    Why not get the bat on plane, with a stable front side, and drive through the ball?
    Why on earth would you want a “backspinning” grounder? Keep your grounders, and my kids will keep their line drives.
    Love your posts and vidos, Big thanks to Chas and staff for all you guys do to improve our game.

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      Thanks for the comment and reading! We always appreciate the kind words and coaching who want to find the best ways to help kids hit better!


  46. Bill says:

    how can he say all the things it is going to do for the kids and make them a better hitter AND HE HITS IT RIGHT INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE NET which would result in a ground ball! what an idiot this guy is. I am glad you put this out there. Great article. One of my former coaches tried this and i said this is only going to make it easier for the defense and harder for us. Lets just say we stopped that drill after the first game cause i was proven right. Thanks again great read.

  47. Alan Pitman says:

    When I use this drill with 10U. My focus is on staying inside the ball and committing to hitting the ball out front. Your students won’t hit the back tee either. Drills are part of a personal progression for each kid. A drill is only as good as the teacher and his message. At early stages, kids tend to cast their hands and attempt to hit the ball too far back. If their hands are inside the ball the tee never gets touched and the player can still approach the ball from below. I guess it all depends on the depth of the tee and the coach’s language.

    1. jkhittingrebel says:


      I agree with you when you say “personal progression for each kid”. We may have ten kids come in one day with the exact same problem in which we would treat ten different ways to get them to fix that one problem. This is part of what makes our job really fun and challenging at the same time.

      Keeping your hands “inside the ball” is such a tricky phrase that we stay away from it. When does a hitter’s hands actually get outside of the ball??? I’ve never seen it. I understand it’s use in “casting” but that phrase and drill when used in the wrong context (which is most of the time) promotes a nonathletic, knob first, push of the arms/hands to create bat speed. Kids who are good workers will spend HOURS training themselves to delay barrel acceleration and become backside minded. This leads to huge power issues later in the career. Not saying all will react this way but too many coaches use this drill and technique as THE way to swing for EVERYBODY and that is simply not the case. We have found much more effective and long lasting drills/phrases to fix “casting” issues that don’t lead to other and much bigger problems down the road.

      Thanks for reading!


  48. Jason says:

    Chas, I appreciate what you’re trying to say, but unfortunately its not an apples to apples comparison. I have been a hitting instructor for the last 17 in professional baseball with three different organizations, and the biggest misunderstanding between the amateur ranks and professional baseball is the point of each drill. We understand that the high tee behind drill isn’t how you’re actually going to hit the ball in a game, its a visual aid for the hitter to understand how to get your hands going in the right direction. And because hitting off the tee is the only time you ever hit without the ball moving there DEFINATELY has to be exaggeration in some way shape or form, and in this case its down angle. The reason being is that effort level and pitch velocity naturally lengthen a hitters swing at all levels. That is why if you were ever lucky enough to walk into a Big League cage before BP one day you would see hitters taking that exaggerated down and inside swing to simply calibrate their path to the ball so that they are on plane on time that night. As far as the kids go, its an awesome drill, we all just need to make sure the explanation is equally as awesome

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      I appreciate your experience at high levels of baseball, and I agree with much of your comment about ‘misunderstanding’ between amateur coaches/athletes and professionals.

      I do have a few questions for you however:

      Why would you exaggerate a downward angle with a young hitter when the ball comes in at a much more downward angle towards home plate from a slower throwing pitcher with some arc? If the ‘velocity’ of the ball ‘naturally lengthens the swing’ in youth sports, where the ball is slower, why would you want to be MORE direct and linear instead of more upward?

      How players at the MLB level practice is an interesting thing to bring up. Have you ever seen Josh Hamilton hit off a tee? Its amazing. However, he needs a 25 LB weight to not knock the tee over…why? Because he hammers down on the tee. Now, if you ask him ‘why’ he does this…what would he say? I don’t know that answer, but I’d imagine it would be something along the lines of ‘hand path, or keeping the head above the ball…’ or something like that. When in actuality his talent OVERCOMES the bad drill in games. You should see the evaluation videos I get from kids all over the world at Baseball Rebellion (softball girls too) who literally swing down at a 15 degree angle or WORSE! And drills like this cause it…period.

      I would love you to elaborate on the ‘visual representation’ that the high tee provides to the professional hitter when players like Ryan Braun say things like “i know my swing is going right when I get a few catcher’s interference calls” (forgive my paraphrase there…not sure of the EXACT wording of his quote).

      While I do agree that effort level CAN lengthen the swing at any level, I have also experienced a dramatic increase in player production in HS, College, Pro, and MLB levels as they have eliminated drills like this in favor for drills and movements that are actually happening in games and applicable to players at any level.

      Again, your professional experience is different than ours…on teams, on busses, in cages pregame. Ours is with Video analysis and players from all over the country at ALL levels of the game, not just pros with superior bodies, coordination, and time to practice. Part of Baseball Rebellion is to show parents what the drill looks like vs a game swing, instead of justifying the methods, I want the reality to justify itself.

      I do appreciate your comment, I just don’t agree. I would love to continue the conversation further if you like.


  49. It’s funny when people have to come to terms with what they have been doing as wrong. Chas is one of the premier hitting coaches in the sport and works with some of the highest level players down to 6 year olds. His methodology is based on what works.

    Just because it’s little league or softball, and you’ve heard “throw your hands” or “squash the bug” a thousand times doesn’t make it right.

    It is irrellevent how old the player is. You didn’t see Tiger Woods on the television as a toddler learning bad mechanics. You wouldn’t want to learn how to skydive or rock climb using anything but pro mechanics would you? Why wouid baseball be different.

    Thanks for continuing to help kids receive better coaching.

  50. Michale says:

    Very good post! We are linking to this great article on our site.
    Keep up the great writing.

  51. Codie roper says:

    This comment mainly pertains to softball Michele smith is my wife’s idol she taught her all of her mechanics luckily she recently wrote a book on all mechanics “coaches guide to game winning softball drills”. On page 103 she touches on level swinging softball vs baseball as Suzan stated above two different worlds one is your mound, much raised in baseball than softball also since we like physics the ball is release from two opposite ends of the release zone she even put a fancy picture illustrating the difference and why the contact and backspin is more effective this way towards an upward pitch (softball) and a downward pitch (baseball). With that said there are different pitches in a softball pitchers Arsenal that could come in downward vice versa baseball overall in the majority of the time in softball they travel upward. Here’s the part about the drill instilling fine tuned mechanics and investing in our children’s athletic future. I agree if they want to be a winner they need to want it from the start however on the drill it’s self on page 112 of smiths book she sets the drill up back tee waist high front lowered by the diameter of the tee she stresses the fact of improper mechanics such as an uppercut will be visual by striking back tee and most importantly that the power plane of bat swing is down slightly to make up for the upward trajectory of underhand pitch. I’m not taking a stab or anything you take time to help children every day it’s a noble way to spend your time and those kids will always be great full. But when it comes to softball and mechanics a two time gold medalist winner in the olympics “that team that was so good they were banned from the olympics” she won 46 and lost 6 in high school pitching named best pitcher in the league and sportswoman of the year also the first softball player endorsed by Nike. With all those credentials and proof in pupils I.e. My wife who played all the way till we had our daughter in college. I could see any pictures videos or blogs I trust that world renown pitcher to know a fast pitch trajectory is much different in baseball and the way a batter should approach it are completely different

    1. Chas Pippitt says:


      Thanks for the comment. The physics of softball is simple. All softball pitches go down other than riseball strikes thrown harder than 65 mph.

      I understand the credentials of your coach/teacher/wife/daughter and I’d just say that all that ‘experience’ can make a coach closed minded.

      We’ve had tremendous success with our softball girls primary because they do not “swing down”…and Backspin is not an issue at all.


  52. Richard says:

    I am surprised that none of the prior comments talked about the Louisville Slugger UPM Pitching Machines. The SE and SW Regions of the Cal Ripken (7-8 yr old) division of Babe Ruth use it in their games and tournaments. It throws the ball as level as possible, at slower speeds, and one coach, in Austin, Tx., gave an interview to the American Statesman paper. . He stated that using that machine just for his team to practice on, since it was a coach pitch league, his team was the only undefeated team and he said it was the first time in his life that he was able to teach young players without any fear. He said the kids are simply not afraid of this small, in-line machine that puts a level pitch over the plate every time.

  53. Michael says:


    Interesting drill! To be honest I’ve never heard of, or seen, this drill until now. My son is 7 and has been playing rec league ball for just over a year. He has never played tee ball or blast ball or even hit a ball off a tee until he started playing organized sports. I have always pitched a ball overhand to him since he could stand up on his own. I’m not a coach, former player or athlete. I’m wasn’t even a good player as a child but I taught my son the way I was taught in the mid seventies, The Science of Hitting by Ted Williams.

    Imagine my surprise when 40 years later his coaches are heard telling kids they have to have a “level swing”, “come down towards the ball”, “throw your hands at the ball”, “hit the center of the ball”, I guess I missed something these last four decades but didn’t Ted Williams debunk this nonsense by explaining simple physics? Didn’t anyone listen? First thing that happened to my sons swing? More ground balls. A lot more ground balls. Second thing that happened to his swing? Uppercut, to compensate in an attempt to hit line drives into the outfield off a tee. Which he could do consistently to balls in the middle of the strike zone that were actually pitched to him by age 4.

    Now, to correct the uppercut and get his swing back to a normal upward movement that meets
    and drives through the downward path of the ball, I used a two tee drill where the back tee was dropped a few inches lower than the front tee, i.e. the exact reverse if this drill. it didn’t take to long before the uppercut problem was solved. However, his coaches were still amazed that he hit so well with that “unorthodox” upward swing. They also couldn’t understand why I bought him the smallest diameter bat instead of one of the oversized ones.

    Again, I’m not a coach but this drill seems to be teaching exactly what not to do. I wonder if that’s why so many teams in our league and even in the Summer All Star Tournaments are so awful. Fortunately, my sons coaches have not been “concerned” about changing his swing, if it works it works, right? However, they are instructing other kids on how to hit.

    Oh and to those professional instructors who have challenged your article let me say a couple of things. First, I’ve seen a lot of strange drills being endorsed by professional MLB players. The hitting on one knee, soft toss from behind, hitting the ball off a bounce, one even called the “Happy Gilmore Walk” and I understand they believe it helps them, they are exceptional athletes who get paid a lot of money, and you are the experts that keep their skills in top shape. In essence, how can anyone argue these drills have no value, especially a middle aged Dad who never participated in sports after grade school and wasn’t even good to begin with? Well, that brings me to my second point. Has anyone in MLB batted over .400 in the last 40 years? Who was the last player that did? Something tells me Ted Williams would never participate in the Happy Gilmore Walk and if I’m interpreting his book correctly he would laugh anyone performing this drill right out of the cages.

    What happens to a baseball Is the combined result of a variety of physical forces interacting upon one another at a specific moment in time. The Laws of Physics are a Universal Truth. Physics is something you don’t have to be a good athlete to understand and I thought Ted Williams did an excellent job explaining the basic physics involved with hitting so even those who aren’t good at physics would easily understand.

    Any drill incorporating actions which defy or create resistance to the essential fundamental physical forces required to optimize the striking of a baseball are determintal to the develop and success of a hitter at any level including the best hitters in MLB. Imagine how much better they would be if they focused on the Science. You might even hit .400.

  54. Brittany says:

    Hi there,

    I am a new softball coach but I grew up playing. I have done a similar drill several times. But I notice that in these photos the high tee is the one in the back. When we do it the shorter tee is in the back and the high tee in the front. The goal in that case is to hit the ball off the high tee without hitting the first (lower tee). We do this to help our batters not drop their hands/shoulder. Why is it that in the drills you posted the tees are switched around? Would you recommend the drill if doing it the way we are? I just found this to be very interesting.

  55. David says:

    How about the sitting in the folding chair hitting off the tee drill? Saw it done by an “elite” hitting coach and had my wonders.

  56. Adam says:

    Thought this was gonna be clickbait from the title, but I agree completely. I had a coach like that as a young kid, and it totally messed up my “ok” swing and helped contribute to me not playing little league as long as I thought I would.

    I was a big kid who couldn’t run well, but could usually help drive in guys pretty regularly. They DRILLED the chopping down swing into us and I was useless that year.

  57. Great article. I’ve fought this fight many times! With your permission, I’ll link this article to my website.

    1. Admin says:

      Thanks for the comment! You can absolutely link it.

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