Did Jose Fernandez change his pitching mechanics?

Written by on March 12, 2014 in Arm Care, Case Studies, Pitching Theory - 53 Comments
The answer is YES, but I doubt Jose Fernandez consciously made the change.

 

I purchased the MLB.TV package this year in an effort to monitor existing mechanical patterns and learn new ones.  I’ve made several exciting discoveries thus far, most of which will be used to enhance my scoring system (due out soon).  When I first signed up for the package, one of the first games I watched was Jose Fernandez pitching against the Cardinals.    After a few pitches, something didn’t look right with Fernandez’s mechanics.  I pulled up several videos from last year to compare, and I saw some striking differences!  At first I thought it may have been the off-set camera angle, but upon watching him pitch recently against the Mets, a new pattern has taken hold of his delivery.

I haven’t been able to find any literature on him speaking about a mechanical change ( please send my way if you have seen one) but I did find an article that details his workouts over the years.   It’s an interesting article  by Sports Illustrated,  which documents Jose Fernandez’s training regimen and relationship over the years with coach Orlando Chinea.  It’s a great read, and I would encourage you to learn more about Fernandez.  I found the two excerpts below fascinating.

I don’t like pitchers spending all that time in the gym — I like the natural environment,” says Chinea, so he had Fernandez build up his strength by throwing two-pound medicine balls at 120 feet, running hills, chopping trees, and pushing cars. “We’d go to a parking lot, twice a week, he’d push cars, pickup trucks, 100 feet,” says Chinea.

Chinea describes Fernandez’s pitching style as “a mix of Cuban, and a mix of Japanese.” He compares Fernanez’s delivery to Yu Darvish’s — “fluid, smooth, almost artistic.” The workouts Chinea taught Fernandez were “based on core conditioning, plyometrics, increasing structural rotation,” says Chinea.

You could read the two quotes above and deduce Fernandez’s training routine focuses on building power (chopping trees/pushing cars) while maintaining fluidity (cuban/japanese) in his mechanics.  Sounds like a legitimate plan to me aside from the 2lb med ball portion.  So,  it should be fair to say his workout program helped propel him to the big leagues and should continue to work to keep him there correct?  Potentially, but what if Jose Fernandez’s taste of success last year has only fueled his desire to be the best, and he takes his training to new levels?  What if his force output training begins to outweigh the looseness and rhythm he had last year?  Could this account for the shift in his delivery?

In the Sports Illustrated article, Chinea says, ” In America, the power comes from the gym, from the body frame. In Japan, it’s about maximizing the pitching motion.”  He’s absolutely correct.  Most Americans view strength training as the quickest and sometimes only means to enhance their career to the next level.  Guys will dedicate an entire off-season in the weight room and not touch their delivery until spring training.  We want a combination of both facets.  The pitching delivery can take on many forms.  Just look at the pitching delivery 50 years ago when strength training programs weren’t emphasized.  Loose, long, rhythmic.   A few adjectives to describe the look.  Today we see too many slow, rigid, stiff, and max effort movements.  The advent of the radar gun hasn’t helped either but overall, the training program must match proper rotation and exertion of force.

It’s entirely possible Jose Fernandez’s workouts have created an increased urge to exert increase force. But, the extra aggression is putting him into a problematic scenario that will negatively impact his ability to efficiently rotate.

Overview on Fernandez

Overall I’m not a big advocate of Jose Fernandez’s mechanics.   I do  think he does a nice job moving into his lift by incorporating  “The 45 Degree Rule”  which sets up a nice timing pattern as he breaks his hands away from his body.  I enjoy the initial phase of the delivery which combines the Cuban and Japanese styles mentioned above.   The cuban portion of Fernandez’s delivery can be seen in the 45 degree move (the movement of the knee outwards and back into the body) as he lifts his leg.  The japanese style starts as he kicks his foot out as his hands follow.   He moves his lower body down the mound leading with his hips but sits on his back knee momentarily.   But real issues begin to surface in his arm action and posture as he prepares to rotate which negates the positives created in the  onset of his movement.

2013 Mechanics

Jose Fernandez making his MLB Debut

Jose Fernandez making his MLB Debut on April 7, 2013

2014 Mechanics

Jose Fernandez pitching against the Mets on March 5th, 2014

Jose Fernandez pitching against the Mets on March 5, 2014

2013 vs. 2014

Jose Fernandez Markings

position prior to foot strike

Many critics will argue my camera angles from which I am drawing conclusions isn’t ideal.  I would agree with them. The 2013 clip is slightly more centered compared to the clip of 2014.  However, the frame rates are the same and the positions of the body align in the respective frame rate regardless.  The graphic above illustrates Jose Fernandez delivery at the moment BEFORE his front foot makes contact with the ground.

#1  Foot prior to contact

I reference the foot as a starting point for comparison.  We can work our way up to highlight the differences in the delivery.  If you focus in on the left toe, you will see in 2013 the toe is almost completely open whereas the toe is at 45 degree angle in 2014.  The earlier rotation of the toe is a product of early hip rotation, directly leading to better hip and shoulder separation.  Also, notice the difference in stride alignment.  Fernandez is much more closed off in 2014 compared to 2013.

#2 Posture

This is really the main difference between last year and this year.  Fernandez remains forward with his posture right before foot strike.  This forward position directly leads to the body having to rotate more horizontally around the spine.

#3 Forearm Position

The hand below the elbow in 2014 indicates Fernandez undergoing “shoulder hike”.    Shoulder hike  occurs when the humerus is driven into internal rotation in conjunction with humeral abduction. In a more general sense, this is evident when the hand is being forced back into the body while the elbow is driven upwards towards the shoulder.  Not a good position to be in for shoulder health.

#4 Head Position

When a pitcher moves into thoracic extension and makes an effort to get into this position is head position is similar to 2013.  When the torso remains forward, and the pitcher is purposely trying to stay closed as along as possible, the head resembles that of Fernandez in 2014.  If you revert back to my Nolan Ryan article, this forward position is commonly taught throughout instructors/coaches in America.

Position at Foot Strike

One frame later in each clip, the position below happens.  The front foot has firmly made contact with the ground.  It’s very apparent Fernandez is one frame behind now compared to his 2013 clip.  This frame paints a picture of inevitable negative forces the shoulder/elbow must undergo to compensate for the arm being forced down prior to release.  Fernandez is simply late getting his forearm vertical, it remains horizontal at foot strike and will progress to rotating outside of his body.

Jose Fernandez at Foot Strike

Positive or Negative Change?

If we are objective,  use video analysis, and research,  we can ultimately conclude the mechanical pattern Jose Fernandez is now exhibiting is far from ideal, and he now puts himself AT RISK of potential injury.  As  mentioned prior in the article, this new movement could simply be attributed to more aggressive off-season training.  If you watch Fernandez pitch you can see his fire, tenacity, and passion for his skill.  Aggression leads to tightness and tightness in the body prior to foot strike leads to injury.

Jose Fernandez is a joy to watch compete and great for the game of baseball.  We need to keep him on the field and healthy.  If we have learned anything over the last several years, many of the games best young pitching prospects are going down with Tommy John Surgery.   Stephen Strasburg in 2010, Matt Harvey in 2013, and already this year we have lost Luke Hochevar and Kris Medlen to elbow injuries.

The warning signs are clear people.  Lets make a change.

Bundy, Hochevar, Fernandez Tommy John Picture

The positions above are taught on an everyday basis to our youth.  It doesn’t end well. I actually know from experience.  See below.

Justin Orenduff Surgery 2006

-Justin Orenduff, Leader of the Pitching Rebellion

About the Author

Justin was a Freshman All-American at GW University and then transferred to VCU where he earned all American Honors. In the summer of 2003 Justin was selected to the USA National Team where he pitched alongside Jared Weaver and Justin Verlander. He was then drafted 33rd overall by the LA Dodgers. After retiring from the Dodgers in 2009, Justin returned to VCU where he earned his B.S. in Business Management. Justin has dedicated himself to educating the masses about the pitfalls and dangers of misguided and misinformed training techniques and create efficient, sustainable, and healthy deliveries for all ages. He authors Baseball Rebellions Pitching Blog and is the lead pitching instructor at ITS Baseball, Baseball Rebellions research facility.

53 Comments on "Did Jose Fernandez change his pitching mechanics?"

  1. Danny March 13, 2014 at 5:23 pm · Reply

    Is this attributed to Fernandez being too powerful for his own motion? His torso is obviously rotating faster because of his offseason workouts and he’s probably pushing off the rubber. You think his mechanics cant catch up to his power?

    • Justin Orenduff March 13, 2014 at 10:56 pm · Reply

      Danny,

      The increase in the mindset to achieve power could attribute to the change in his motion. It’s completely fine to rotate faster and be more powerful but it must blend into the delivery and happen once the time is right. I think his mechanics have the opportunity to very rewarding, especially since the way he starts. But he needs to work on his postures as he prepares to rotate.

  2. Caleb D. March 23, 2014 at 3:07 pm · Reply

    Justin,

    Do you know if there are any numbers comparing the number amount of pitchers that have had TJ surgery in Japan to those in US? I think it would be interesting to compare the numbers, I think that would maybe shed some additional light onto the mechanics that are being taught here in the US (traditionally) compared to those taught in Japan, which more closely resembles the mechanics you teach(if I understand correctly)

    • Justin Orenduff March 24, 2014 at 11:39 am · Reply

      Caleb,

      Great question. I have seen any relevant data in my reading but I will keep an open mind to the comparison. I am doing a study currently about the delivery, the surgery, and the innings logged between different decades here in the states and have found some very interesting findings thus far.

  3. Danny April 10, 2014 at 3:09 pm · Reply

    Does the lead leg have to kick out straight as its coming back down, or can you have a more direct leg swing , as long as you get heel to heel?

    • jkhittingrebel April 10, 2014 at 3:21 pm · Reply

      Danny,

      It doesn’t have to, but kicking the lead leg out allows the hips to move further which will result in a more optimal throw.

  4. mark May 5, 2014 at 12:19 pm · Reply

    his new style puts him in a more powerful position and will take stress off his entire upper body..breaking down and back more like a javelin thrower creates better power

    • Justin Orenduff May 6, 2014 at 12:29 pm · Reply

      Mark,

      In his most recent outing, which I saw on Sunday, he is still in the same pattern which I outlined this past spring. I do not agree his positions take stress off the upper body, and if you would like to elaborate on how they do, feel free to post.

      Thanks Mark,

    • Chas Pippitt May 12, 2014 at 7:32 pm · Reply

      Mark,

      Still think Jose Fernandez is in a better position?

      Better read up on Justin’s stuff…your sons’s arm depends on it.

      Chas–

  5. Mike May 12, 2014 at 7:05 pm · Reply

    Hate to say it but here we are with Fernandez and it doesn’t look good.

    • Justin Orenduff May 12, 2014 at 10:01 pm · Reply

      Mike,

      No, the prognosis doesn’t look good at all. Another promising young arm goes down. Sad for baseball.

      -justin

    • Justin Orenduff May 12, 2014 at 10:00 pm · Reply

      Evan,

      Not a jinx, just pointing out factual data. I’m sorry this happened to him, but it could have been avoided.

      -justin

      • Doug May 17, 2014 at 1:20 am · Reply

        So do you think that these tears happen mostly due to short-term issues like mechanical flaws? Seems like most of what I’ve read points to the long-term effects of too many breaking balls and throwing way too hard at a young age. Would you say JoFer’s elbow was more or less healthy up until his last few starts? Or that this story was bound to end this way when he first started pitching however many years ago?

        • Justin Orenduff May 19, 2014 at 12:52 pm · Reply

          Doug,

          Mechanics generally aren’t short term issues. From all the research I have done, an individual’s mechanics stay fairly constant throughout the course of their career even after surgery. Very few pitchers are aware of the true changes they need to make within their delivery to be able to sustain the stress factors associated with throwing a baseball. Jose’s pattern was never ideal or high level even last year. I noticed a greater change in an already faulty pattern this past spring training, so I decided to comment. His elbow was continually undergoing stress over the last two years and maybe longer. I can’t comment on how long because I don’t know the history of his mechanics. But, when you take an already faulty mechanical pattern and add increased training variables (long toss, weighted balls, competitive bouts) the likelihood for injury goes up.

          Thanks,

          Justin

  6. Mike Smith May 12, 2014 at 7:23 pm · Reply

    Welp, you certainly called that one.

    • Justin Orenduff May 12, 2014 at 9:59 pm · Reply

      Mike,

      Sure did. I wish the Marlins had the ability to see it and prevent this injury before it occurred. Another one down.

  7. Jeff May 12, 2014 at 9:55 pm · Reply

    As soon as I heard the news on Jose Fernandez needing TJ, I thought of this article. Incredible analysis and insight into his adjustments and the possible consequences.

    • Justin Orenduff May 12, 2014 at 10:07 pm · Reply

      Jeff,

      Thanks so much. I hate that this has happened to Jose but maybe someone in a high level position will start to learn from this. The signs were all there!

      -justin

      • Milton May 13, 2014 at 1:47 pm · Reply

        The baseball world is struggling to find answers for the rise of TJ in elite pitchers, even more so now after Jose’s injury. But you guys already have the answers to them and this article and Jose’s elbow are proof that the mechanics that you guys are teaching are completely correct. I believe some new found publicity for you guys are coming soon, so long as the right person comes across this fantasic site.

        • Justin Orenduff May 13, 2014 at 1:57 pm · Reply

          Milton,

          I have something exciting for everyone due out hopefully by this summer. I can’t divulge too many details, but I plan to help promote change on a larger scale. I appreciate the kind worded and we do our best everyday to spread our information. The More readers, and advocates just like you, the more we can help change this injury epidemic.

          -Justin

  8. Jeff May 12, 2014 at 10:15 pm · Reply

    Great coverage on his positioning at initial foot contact with the lead leg, but follow it up with his arm position in mid- and terminal-arm swing prior to release. His initial set-up (2014 pic, his humerus internally rotated/flexed/abducted, forearm pronated) is setting him up for excessive torque on the UCL once he externally rotates and supinates. It’d be interesting to see the elbow angle changes between 2013 and 2014 prior to release.

    • Justin Orenduff May 12, 2014 at 10:56 pm · Reply

      Jeff,

      Thanks for the comment. I plan to do a follow up in the next few days and will use your thoughts for consideration.

      -justin

      • Jeff May 12, 2014 at 11:02 pm · Reply

        Awesome, I’ll be looking forward to that follow-up!
        Also, by no means did I intend to try to show you up or anything. I am a student physical therapist going into an outpatient setting this summer and would love to learn more about pitching mechanics (especially since TJ is so prevalent these days). Thanks for your post

  9. 96mnc May 13, 2014 at 2:35 am · Reply

    As mentioned above, this article was the first thing I thought about when I heard the unfortunate news about Jose Fernandez today. Nice job of analysis.

  10. Matt May 13, 2014 at 6:30 am · Reply

    Try and get your stuff published in a journal if it has not already. This does not help anyone if nobody sees it until after the injury and do not get to verify your analysis.

  11. Eduardo May 13, 2014 at 1:25 pm · Reply

    Hello, for the last few years I have consistently been struck with shoulder inflammation at least yearly and it always decreases whatever gains I make in my arm strength. I’m an outfielder who runs a 6.5 60 but whose only tool that is lacking is my inconsistent arm strength. What can I do to improve it without injury? What exercises, mechanical changes should I try? I would hate to see my elbow be the next thing in line.

  12. Kevin May 13, 2014 at 1:40 pm · Reply

    Is this the inverted “W” folks talk about (aka, “M”) upon front foot touch? The theory is that, because their arms are transitioning up while also beginning to rotate under larger torque needed to throw, they’re putting more stress on joints (the shoulder and elbow in particular). The theory also says that the throwing hand should be above the elbow before rotation starts. Can’t vouch for veracity/correctness of the theory, but looking at the 2013/14 position at front foot touch that’s what jumped out to me.

    • Justin Orenduff May 13, 2014 at 2:03 pm · Reply

      Kevin,

      Yes. His forearm is closer to horizontal at foot strike which directly affect the forces on the shoulder as the trunk rotates. In 2013 he was able to get his forearm closer to vertical before strike. If Jose continued to do the weighted ball routine this last offseason this would lead to his hand/forearm staying more horizontal. Sad to see another young pitcher go do down.

      -Justin

  13. Charles May 13, 2014 at 4:58 pm · Reply

    Spot on

  14. Jay May 13, 2014 at 9:20 pm · Reply

    Amazing article , youth baseball coaches should read this

    • Justin Orenduff May 13, 2014 at 9:29 pm · Reply

      Jay,

      Thanks so much. You’re correct, I hope it can reach as many youth coaches as possible.

      -Justin

  15. Shawn Kaufman May 14, 2014 at 8:53 am · Reply

    Justin
    Great article & insight. I agree with you & something has to give. I hear former players talk against pitch counts & preach proper mechanics & of course the argument tht baseball players need to be flexible & not built like tanks. Mitch Williams is always talking abt proper mechanics. I’ve been watching baseball since early 80s & have never seen so many arm injuries. Very sad abt these young hurlers. What’s your opinion on the Long toss technique?
    Thanks
    Great read!

  16. Herb May 14, 2014 at 10:04 am · Reply

    Did you send this to Jose or the Marlins,? I read it when you posted earlier this year, wow did you call it.

  17. Chris May 14, 2014 at 10:59 am · Reply

    Yeah so, for science, any other young SP’s you want to Nostradamus for us so we can trade them away in fantasy? Ha. Amazing analysis & work. Kudos to you!

    • Justin Orenduff May 14, 2014 at 3:25 pm · Reply

      Chris,

      Haha, I like the nickname! And, thanks for the comment. I’ll give you one….Julio Teheran.

      -Justin

  18. Cameron May 14, 2014 at 2:45 pm · Reply

    Hey Justin,

    Great article. With all the these pitchers going down many theories are being brought up. What is your take on pitch counts?

  19. DG May 14, 2014 at 3:06 pm · Reply

    The reason for the ligament damage is elbow torque, not foot angle or any other change in his mechanics. Judging from the first, older, video, it was bound to happen. Compare them to Chapman and Cliff Lee and you’ll see the proper arm angle, shoulder angle, and most importantly, elbow angle. The stress to the medial side of the elbow throwing fastballs is what blows the ligament, necessitating Tommy John surgery. Unfortunately MLB, trainers and pitching coaches haven’t figured this out yet.

  20. Jorge May 14, 2014 at 3:50 pm · Reply

    I agree with everything as being factual or at least based on evidence, but you don’t prove a single point on training regime and are just speculating maybe from your own dislike in strength training. This all looks a lot like the inverted W article someone wrote some years ago which had it’s own idiosyncrasy built into it along with some good analysis.

    • Justin Orenduff May 14, 2014 at 5:48 pm · Reply

      Jorge,

      Do you train pitchers on a daily basis? How many per week? You may not know the information I posted is possible. The reason I ask is because my “speculating” comes from factual occurrences that have happened. I like strength training, and I think it has a great purpose. But the strength training program has to match how the mind produces force. If not, it can create tension and prohibit the looseness the body must have to perform an ideal delivery. I know this happens for a fact, and that’s the reason I posted what I did.

      -Thanks,

  21. Matt May 18, 2014 at 4:30 pm · Reply

    Justin, great analysis. I just found this article after reading about his attorney’s bs claim that a thigh injury caused the tear. Hopefully, this will get out there and help with pitcher’s mechanics so they can avoid TJ surgery and other injuries in the future.

    • Justin Orenduff May 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm · Reply

      Matt,

      Thanks for commenting. I hope Jose steps back and ask himself why he was injured. Everyone in his corner told him his mechanics were strong, healthy, and smooth. But, that wasn’t the case at all. We will see what he looks like when he returns.

      Thanks,

      Justin

  22. Troy May 19, 2014 at 3:39 am · Reply

    Justin,

    Can you take a look at Garrett Richards? I’ve watched him pitch throughout the years and I see something of the inverted W going on with his delivery and it’s always had me worried. He’s a young stud for the Angels and I’d hate to see the staff’s best pitcher go down to elbow injury.

    • Justin Orenduff May 19, 2014 at 12:58 pm · Reply

      Troy,

      Of course. If I find anything significant I will be sure to post and comment back to you in this section.

      Thanks!

      Justin

  23. Blake May 22, 2014 at 3:57 pm · Reply

    Justin,
    I think one thing that a lot of organizations forget (or simply are ignorant to) is that there is a wide gap between a strength coach and a trainer and unfortunately there’s a middle ground where neither is often proficient enough to properly help. I see the trends of the strength and conditioning community as a whole and the rash of TJ surgeries as a good indicator that many strength coaches don’t delve deep enough into corrective measures to prevent/reduce such injuries. I hadn’t read the article in SI before but Chinea’s comments are exactly what I’m referring to. “Natural environment”, “pushing cars and chopping trees”…that’s all great for the Karate Kid or CrossFit inspired enthusiast but not a multi million dollar investment like Fernandez’s right arm. The red flags kept coming with a training day starting with 90 minutes of stretching?! It could be that Chen left out some info that might help that make sense but regardless proper corrective programming (including extensive work in proper shoulder positioning, scapular adduction and lat work) would have gone a long way in reducing the possibility of these types of injury. Working in a country that knows nothing about baseball (Norway), I’m reduced to speculation but I’d love to get some young college/minor league arms on a proper corrective program and see what type of results come out of it. You spent a long time in various levels of the system…did S&C coaches even approach this subject with pitchers?

    • Justin Orenduff May 23, 2014 at 10:57 am · Reply

      Blake,

      Very insightful comment. You are correct. Organization to organization have different protocols but overall the strength coach’s role in the total development of the athlete is very minimal. When I was first drafted with the Dodgers in 2004 we were allowed to do more in the weight room/conditioning but when I went back in 2011 things had changed quite significantly in terms of workload (much lesser). I haven’t seen or heard of a constant monitoring process within the organization to prevent potential injuries, I may be wrong. Generally when I guy feels good he avoids the trainer and when he feels bad he goes to see him. But, he isn’t required to come visit the training as part of a preventative process.

      -Justin

  24. Don Ervin May 23, 2014 at 1:04 pm · Reply

    Hey Justin
    Keep up the great informative work with this site.
    There are many comments out there concerning the {PREVENTION} of throwing injuries and surgeries,{PREVENT} is the wrong, improper word to use due to the fact that there is no possible way to {PREVENT} such injuries, every time the arm executes a throwing movement especially during the very violent arm pitching movement, it is left out there susceptible to injury no matter how hard or easy the throw may be.
    {PREVENT}
    Definition: To keep or stopping from happening.
    To make impossible.

    Yes it is very sad when one, anyone blows the elbow, Labrum and or rotor cuff, although one may be in great physical condition bad body mechanics will always be the main reason that causes the potential for such injuries, as Dr. Andrews states, with bad mechanics one’s arm will work until it doesn’t and sooner or later it will quit working.
    People just do not get it, there are some absolutes entering into a pitchers series of necessary body movements, Dr. Andrews and his associates have brought to the table through their intensive research as to how the pitchers body in forward movement from the rubber to it’s final flat back fielding position follow through should function, operate, indifference as to how it the body in motion does normally function, operate which is quite different, a 180 degree turn so to speak, which is within a series of sequenced, chained reactive body movements which includes hip first movement , body length stride leg extension, hip to shoulder separation at stabilized decelerated front foot touch, plant down, on to externally laid back throwing hand and fore arm, on to ball release and follow through.
    This series of body movements pretty well sums it up, like Dr.Tom House says, whether one is a fire baller , a knuckle baller etc their mechanics are basically all the same.
    Great Baseball-N
    Don Ervin

    • Chas Pippitt May 24, 2014 at 11:00 am · Reply

      Don,

      I’m confused by your ‘prevention’ comment. Are you saying injuries are not preventable? That you can’t decrease their chance of occurrence?

      I think it’s clear that while no pitching motion can TOTALLY prevent injury to all pitchers, there are some that are more likely to prevent them, and Justin’s training methodology is showing statistically significant injury predictors that Justin can either train out of pitchers’ motions or “prevent” from being in them at all…

      Can you clarify?

      Chas–

  25. Don Ervin May 26, 2014 at 2:36 pm · Reply

    Hey Chas’
    Thanks for your return question.
    Yes, according to the definition of {PREVENT} which states,
    To keep or stopping from happening.
    To make impossible.
    These two definitions are self explanatory.
    I am sure that as much time as you guy’s spend researching the whole spectrum of pitching that you have viewed the arm torque at the release of a fast ball, there is no way to {PREVENT} an injury at the end of so much arm torque. How the arm stays together at the sockets is amazing. especially when the majority of pitchers use mainly their arm without body assistance.
    As Dr Andrews states, with bad body mechanics ones arm will work until it doesn’t, and eventually it won’t work, as is proven nearly day with the exorbitant number of T.J.’S, Labrum and Rotor cuff problems and surgeries in every level from 10 yr old’s up to and through the major pitchers.
    Every time a ball is thrown especially during the pitching movement the elbow and shoulder etc. are potential to possible injury, even surgery.
    Yes I do believe through mine and others years of experience and research that under certain circumstances such as good moving body mechanics which include the proper sequence of chained reactive body movements being executed at the proper time in their proper sequence along with a necessary physical program that decreasing the chance of injury and surgery is very possible, but decreasing is not {PREVENTING.}
    Good to hear from you, I always enjoy talking baseball with knowledgeable open minded people.
    Great Base Ball-N
    Don Ervin

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